We just got a new Doberman last Sunday. Pure breed, 7months old. Huge Dog. My husband swears that the mut pup our little girl has, has already breed Shadow. We are getting rid of my girls dog but hadnt had a chance. My husband wants some info about the abortion shot and about how to tell if she is pregnant. He says the dog is having a lot of discharge. We do want to breed her later on but not by a beagle mut mix. Any suggestions or info would be great.
I really think it would be best to fix her as soon as possible. Young dogs, especially big breeds need that time to grow up before having the stress of a pregnancy on a body. I usually like to see large breeds altered later on but it will be better for her to be fixed early than to have pups.
I don't know much about the shot. I've heard good and bad about it and you only have so long.
Besides that dobes are a breed that can be complicated to breed. there are sooo many health issues with them that unless they have been tested against each one and you have really studied there pedigree its best to not breed. If you got your dog from someone who health tested and you plan to show your dog to prove it has a reason to be bred and health test yourself then look into the shot,but otherwise get her fixed and love her as a pet. I got really lucky with my dobe-didn't ask about health tests or family history,I didn't know any better at the time. But he has been healthy and happy,yet I know plenty of people who didn't luck out with the breed.
**and why are you getting rid of the mutt pup? When you breed you are responcible for every one of those pups for the rest of its life. Its a big responsibility.
If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons -James Thurber
Take her in and have her spayed, there are enough unwanted dog, both purebred and mutt sitting in shelters. Unless you are going to get her both conformation and working titles, have her test for and pass the thing that the Doberman Pinscher Club Of America suggest, as listed here: Hip Dysplasia
* OFA Evaluation from VetGen or * Evaluation issued by the DPCA
* WAE evaluation issued by the DPCA
* CERF evaluation
Congenital Cardiac Database
* OFA evaluation via echocardiography. Must include Holter examination
All BEFORE breeding you are doing nothing more than contributing to an already strained pet over population, please have her spayed, weather she is bred by a mutt or another Dobie with a questionable background you are doing a dis-service to the breed.
She is a family dog. The pup I am referring to is the that possibly breed her. We didn't want him in the first place but my father in law gave him to my 2 yr old daughter. Now my girl has decided to give the pup away and keep the Doberman. We plan on letting her get older and breed her to another dobe. I will not get her spayed. We plan to breed her later on. Right now, we just want her to be a pet, she is great with our kids. We are not into showing dogs and all that, you don't do that around here. We just love Doberman s.
Welcome to the wonderful world of BYB hope your dog doesnt die as a result, pretty sad that you are letting a 2 year old decide the fate of a dog that you had decided to keep, well at least until something better came along
If you hadnt wanted the poor mutt you should have found him a home when he was a pup and easy to re-home. Now you will likely dump him in a shelter and not look back now that you have dollar signs in your eyes from your poor bitch that you plan to breed, you know only to recover the cost of her or whatever other BS reason you can come up with.
2. Point out that everybody you know breeds this way, therefore it must be okay.
3. Claim that "snobby show breeders" are only criticizing you because they want to corner the market on puppy profit.
4. Claim that a Champion in the pedigree is just as good as 56 Champions in the pedigree. Not that it matters, because you doubt that there is such a thing as a dog with 56 champions in the pedigree.
5. Claim that you are just trying to produce good pets, therefore good pets are all you need for breeding.
6. When asked about health testing, enthusiastically point out that your bitch had a health checkup before breeding.
7. Be sure to mention that you do not need to run such health tests as OFA, CERF, thyroid, cardiac, patellae, etc., because your dogs look healthy and had no visible problems at their last vet checkup.
8. Point out that these tests cost too much and would cut into your profit margin. Be sure to champion the right of poor people to breed dogs.
9. Confidently assure worried rescuers that no puppy you produce, or any of their puppies or grand puppies or great-grandpuppies will end up in shelters because you have a bunch of friends who have told you that they'd like a pup from your bitch.
10. Point out that you don't need Championships or working titles on your dogs because you are breeding for temperament and your dog is really sweet.
11. Silence those annoying people who ask about your health guarantee by assuring them that buyers can return any sick puppies and you will replace it with another pup as long as it got sick within a certain amount of time of sale and as long as you don't think the buyer did something to make the puppy sick.
12. If your breed or line is rare (or you have a "rare" color, or believe your breed or color is rare), be sure to remind everyone that you do not need to show, temperament test, or health test your breeding stock because you are doing the world a service by continuing this "rare" breed/color/line.
13. No matter what anyone else says, claim that you obviously know what you are doing because you've been breeding for a long time. Point to the hundreds of puppies you've pumped out over the years as proof.
14. If this is your first attempt at breeding, make sure to remind everyone that you HAVE to breed your dog because how else are you going to learn how to breed?
15. Assure everyone that your dog does not need to be shown because you were assured by someone at Petsmart/the park/the vet's office/a friend that your dog is a perfect example of the breed.
16. Always remember that "rare" colors, oversized or undersized dogs, and mixes of popular breeds are great selling points. Anyone who doesn't think so is obviously not in tune with their customers' wishes.
17. Claim that your dogs are better because they are not inbred, as inbreeding obviously produces sick/stupid/deformed dogs. If breeding poo [as in "Cock-a-Poo," "Peek-a-Poo," etc.] dogs or other mutts, always point to "hybrid vigor" as proof of your dogs' superiority.
18. Remind everyone that you do not need a waiting list because your puppies are cute.
19. Assure everyone that your puppies will not end up in shelters because they are cute.
20. Claim that YOUR breed never ends up in shelters in your area, therefore your puppies will never end up in shelters.
21. If asked why you think your dogs are breeding quality, point out that they "have papers." Extra points awarded for using the phrase "AKC Certified." Double points if those papers come from the Continental Kennel Club.
22. If you sell a sick puppy, always blame the owners for making it sick. If the owners are clearly not responsible, blame their vet. (see #11)
23. If presented with irrefutable evidence proving you wrong on any excuses you have used, pretend your server did not receive the post/e-mail.
24. Claim that none of the rules of ethical breeding apply to you because you only intend to have one litter and therefore aren't a "real" breeder.
25. If all else fails, tell everyone who criticizes you to "get a life."
Written by Denna Pace . It was compiled by reading the horrible BYB ads on rec.pets.dogs.breed. Please credit when quoting.
DobeMom write: She is a family dog. The pup I am referring to is the that possibly breed her. We didn't want him in the first place but my father in law gave him to my 2 yr old daughter. Now my girl has decided to give the pup away and keep the Doberman. We plan on letting her get older and breed her to another dobe. I will not get her spayed. We plan to breed her later on. Right now, we just want her to be a pet, she is great with our kids. We are not into showing dogs and all that, you don't do that around here. We just love Doberman s.
If she's a family dog, then she SHOULD be spayed. Not only is breeding your dog if you have absolutely no idea what you're doing a HUGE mistake, you're putting her life at danger with each heat cycle she goes through (look up pyometra).
I still can't believe that there are so many people out there that just don't give a flying rat's ass about the lives of their dogs.
You have enemies? Good! That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
Besides what the others said,,,,,I can not believe that you are going to dispose of your original dog now that you have something new and better! And a 2 year old making the decision to be rid of the first dog! That kills me...talk about putting your bad judgements on a child. I have a 2 year old grandbaby that I raise, they are in no way at 2 able to decide to get rid of a dog. I'm dying to know exactly what the 2 yr old said to indicate she wished to be rid of the mutt and keep the new purebred puppy maker instead?
You re the adult, the responsibility is yours, not the childs. Grow up.
Now lpn, that is just not possible for some people, I mean it is easier to blame the 2 year old then say I am a looser who bases my self worth on the fact that I have a purebred dog, so the mutt has got to go.
I'd first have to say, take care of the immediate problem by getting the Dobie to the vet. Discharge can very well be a sign of a serious infection OR she may simply be in heat. A vet will be able to tell for sure what you're dealing with.
Secondly, why was the daughter's Beagle/mix not neutered? You might want to consider that as well.
To think that you are teaching your young child that it's acceptable to dispose of the old pet simply because you have the new girl, really isn't teaching her a very good lesson in caring and responsibility, even if she is only 2.
A pet is part of the family and should not be something you "replace" with an upgrade. Sorry, but I have to agree with everyone else on that. If you didn't want the dog, you should simply have told your father-in-law so. Instead, you are now going to have a pet who will be dumped for no fault of his own, other than that he isn't a purebred dog and isn't as worthy of love as the Dobie.
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
You all talk about me having the problems, but you all are the ones that are dog crazy. Its funny to me how ppl think their animals come before their children and family. My family comes first! And its also funny to me how ppl can just say, get the dog spayed and whatever, that does take money, we are not rich. We can not just drop money left and right. And its really not that hard to get rid of a dog you don't want. We live in a small country town. We have already gotten rid of the dog. We give him to another family. Thanks for your input. I believe you are all high strung and full of crap as you have no need to tell me what to do. I asked simple questions, I wasn't looking for what you thought of me or my family. My family and my children will always come before any dog, no matter what the breed.
Well good to know that if the bitch needs a c-section that she will die because you dont have the 300 to spay her, you sure as hell dont have the 3000 to save her life because you are to ignorant to prevent a pregnancy.
You know, I tend to agree with DobeMom on this one. I think it is perfectly reasonable to allow my 2 year old to make important decisions about our pets. Actually, I think you should go ahead and breed your Doberman now and let your daughter help deliver the babies and watch to make sure nothing goes wrong during delivery. And yes, you are not rich, so why not take on a responsibility of a dog that could possible have major health problems down the road? Well that's easy too, if a problem comes up, you can just "get rid" of her as you did your mutt (or ask your daughter and see what she says). Oh yeah, but your are right, we are all "high strung and full of crap"! And by the way, you did not "ask a simple question," you asked a very legitimate question full of ignorance and opened yourself up to the answers you received. Take from it what you will, but don't come crawling back to us at 3 in the morning with a hemorrhaging bitch and a bunch of dead puppies asking for help because you can't afford to take her to the emergency vet. Or actually, I take that back. Do come here asking for help, because we would much rather see the puppies have some sort of a chance on living and help out where we can, but don't expect a sunshine and rainbow sugar coated answer like you did with this one.
My family comes first! And its also funny to me how ppl can just say, get the dog spayed and whatever, that does take money, we are not rich. We can not just drop money left and right. And its really not that hard to get rid of a dog you don't want. We live in a small country town. We have already gotten rid of the dog. We give him to another family.
I am a breeder, and I like to think...a good one. I don't know how you can say your family comes first, out of this situation at all. You just taught your daughter that animals are dispensable, and worth nothing, unless they can be bred and you can make money off them. Thank God you did give the other dog away because the new owners surely appreciate him, and give him the life he deserves. The callousness that you did this with just really tells me that you are not the right type of person to be breeding any type of dog. I love the sentence where you say 'We can not just drop money left and right.' Do you not understand that this is exactly what you have to do when you are a good breeder? If you can't afford to spay your girl, how are you going to be able to afford an emergency section, good quality food, vet visits, with micro chips, medication, immunizations, worming, and general upkeep of your dogs? You have not said a word about all the tests that are appropriate and necessary for this breed...or does that come under the heading "We can not just drop money left and right?" That's exactly what you do when you breed dogs, you have to be able to afford to do it, and you must love doing it, above all else. Where will you keep all your dogs? More expense. What possible health guarantee can you give, if you refuse to test your dog? The double whammy is that you will not find a decent male either to breed her to, because no self-respecting breeder would allow you access to their studs. This whole topic leaves me sad.