Well said Ruff! It is not a breed of dog as neither is the cockapoos, and any of the other designer mixes. It is and has been a very common ploy with Back yard breeders, millers etc to use these "names" to drive the price up on a mix and make the new owner think they have some rare / common "breed" when in fact is is just a mix! No one here is saying anything is wrong with a mix just don't fall into the mix breeders false lango. Love your mix for what he is...... a mix!
11/3/2002 - 6/3/2008 RIP Haley, my life was forever touched by yours, which was far, far too short...
He is okay with other dogs. I wouldn't let him play openly with them, just for safety reasons, but he isn't aggressive. He doesn't bark or growl at others. He did one time when he was about six months, so I don't take chances now. I did have him neutered at around 7 months. He's a pet, there was no reason to not. The breeder said it was a shame because he was one of the biggest puppies they had seen. Its funny when we go on walks, other dogs are always trying causing a scene, barking and pulling on their owners, and he just stares at them. Alert but not aggressive.
""I did have him neutered at around 7 months. He's a pet, there was no reason to not. The breeder said it was a shame because he was one of the biggest puppies they had seen.""
There is SO much more that makes a dog breeding worthy. I would worry about their ethical choices if that was the one reason they would use to breed a dog. Big or not, if conformation is not proportioned, they should automatically be ruled out as a breeder anyway.
Climberchic...congrats on your boy. I can tell you love him alot. Kudos on your choice to neuter.
So the "breeder" thought it would be a good idea to breed him just because he is "big"? That is so wrong!!! First of all, a dog shouldn't be bred unless it falls within breed standards. (of course, I guess that's hard to do if there ARE no breed standards)
But take labs, for example. A breed that is so prone to dysplasia that it's estimated over 2/3 of all labs develop it. And then you get the breeders that are breeding "oversized" labs, and people who brag about their labs that weigh 100+ lbs. As far as I'm concerned, that's nothing to brag about. That's taking a dog already prone to dysplasia, and intentionally putting even MORE stress on the joints to make them even MORE unhealthy!
Just one of the problems in America. Everyone wants to have either the biggest of something or the smallest of something. That's why we have the "teacup" whatchamahiggies and the "oversized" whatchamahiggies. Neither one is necessarily either healthy OR desirable. (and a GOOD breeder would know that)
Climberchic, does the breeder give you any possible health conditions that could afflict Dante as time goes on? Did you get a health guarantee when you bought him? I'm curious, since I am a breeder and know what I have to guarantee. I also am curious about this insurance you have to have. Do you mean actual insurance, or to be more certain that you can hold him? I have a sneaky feeling that even that collar would'nt deter a dog the size of Dante, so I hope you don't have to test it. I have a friend with an American Bully who has a 5 month old puppy. She has that collar on him, and she laughed when I asked her why. She said there's no way she can hold on to him otherwise. I told her to put her dog in obedience.
Okay, first of all. the fact that he was big is not the only reason they said it was a shame. You all take so much out of context. I'm not even going to discuss the whole breeder aspect of this anymore. I am not a breeder. I do not support byb or puppy mills and I am not a complete idiot. But thank you for all the insinuations. Secondly, yes, he did come with a health guarantee and a contract. I know alot of you would like to think it was a shady transaction when I bought him, but I'm sorry but you are mistaken. As far as the collar, do I think I could hold him, yes. He's well trained, I don't have any doubt that I could handle him in a bad situation, but at the same time, its not really worth the risk is it? I know his potential and I would never test it.
Nobody took anything "out of context." If it was "out of context," it's b/c you didn't put it in context.
Pen, what do you mean by "American Bully?" Are you talking about an American Bulldog? I know it should probably be obvious to me, but some of the pitbull breeders are now called their leviathan dogs "American Bullies." Just curious.
Whatever, all you people do on here is take things out of context.
As far as collars go, I started training mine since he was about 2.5 months old, basic commands. By the time he reached 6mths he knew all the elementary commands (sit, stay, heel, come, down, ect.) Out of the 2yrs that I have had him I've only had to use the choker maybe a handful of times. He is just intelligent and obedient,(which Im sure yours is as well) but I would still not go anywhere public without a choker. After all is said and done I would rather have a dog that I had to correct than a dog I have to put down.
Sorry Rottluvr, I should have been more precise. I was talking about an American Bulldog, and I must say I had no idea they could be that huge. This 5 month old puppy is enormous, with feet like soup plates. I had no idea that the twits who are breeding those poor APBT's are calling them American Bullys...although nothing surprises me with them. I found a website that I was sickened by the other day. It was touting a growth formula, and the dogs looked as if they had been strapped with a board in between their front legs. There is no way those animals could even have a normal gait, never mind pull anything. They look like their shoulders are out of joint. Poor dogs, and stupid people...very sad.
Climberchic, I'm not trying to bait you, I'm just asking you questions from my point of view...no hidden agenda. I'm glad that your dog is well trained, and that you did get a health guarantee. I am simply interested in the breeder side of things because I do breed animals, and those types of questions are of interest to me.I was in no way trying to insinuate that you got a shady health guarantee.I am still interested in other aspects of the breeding of these big babies, but will refrain from asking a bunch of questions. I know that you love your dog, and that's the main thing to me.
Oh, I know you aren't baiting me Pen. If it sounded like I had a tone it wasn't directed at you. Its just very frustrating to discuss my dog and then get attacked everytime I say something. As far as the collar goes, I can think of only one real time that I had to really use Dante's collar. We were on a walk on a paved trail and he was about a year old or so and a roller blader went by and for some reason it drove him crazy. He's been around bikes and rollerbladers since and hasn't had any problems. I guess it was because that was his first encounter?? I don't know.
Pen, I figured you meant an American Bulldog, but I thought I'd check. Would you believe they even have "pocket bullies?" They aren't huge like the "American Bullies" but still have the "lowrider" look. I've been asked a few times "How did you get your Rott so big?" I have no idea how to answer that. I just figured people knew it was a matter of genetics. I've wondered if people expected me to say I gave him steroids or something. Apparently that's not as far fetched as I thought. I really don't think Harley is that big anyway.
climberchik, just so you know that is not a "choker" that is a "prong" collar, I only say this because calling it a choke collar is confusing. I use the same thing on both my male dogs, big and small, much easier on the neck than choke collars.
I have a Canis Panther named Kane. It's amazing how people can rip on a dog without even knowing the breed. You really have to own one to appreciate them. He is one of the most loyal dogs I've ever seen. These dogs seem to get a bad rep when there is no reason they should have one. I have a 8 month old daughter and he is so gentle around her. I never have to worry about someone breaking in to the house. The pure intimidation of my 130 lb Canis Panther is enough to keep any intruder out.
Wow is right! That was like reading a short novel! With very harsh opinions on both sides. I had never heard of this dog before I read the book--pictures included. If I saw him on the street I would have thought he was a big black dobbie. I think people know when they are buying a "designer breed" and are looking for something that maybe will be the best of both breeds. The two labradoodles I know are really nice dogs, smart, cute, low shedding. I don't know--to each their own--as long as nobody or no doggie gets hurt. Those owners know they cannot register the dog, but they want one anyway and are willing to pay big bucks. Hopefully they were purchased from a loving home where the pups were raised with love and care, just like any pure bred dog I would buy.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!! Groucho Marx
The problem is, dogs are getting hurt because there are BYBs and puppy mills producing puppies from dogs being overbred and stuck in overcrowded cages and being treated badly. but keep in mind, that it's not the dog that people are against, it's the intentional and unscrupulous breeding of dogs without any consideration of standard or health testing. With these designer breeds, there are no ways of reliably predicting what the puppies will look like or behave like so that's why they end up in shelters. Plus, there are many people don't get their dogs spayed or neutered and thus, accidental breedings occur and guess what? Puppies end up in shelters. I cannot believe that someone would intentionally breed a lab and a border collie together. Both breeds are high energy so when people buy one, they don't understand why the dog requires so much exercise. I see many of these mixes in shelters and rescues. It's not that poeple don't like your canis panther, they just don't like the way he was bred. Mind you, there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders of purebreds too.....
In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog. ~Edward Hoagland