Hi all, the problem I have is that I just purchased a Bull Mastiff named Rocco. He is a great dog, but the original owner was in the process of moving when I got him. He assured me that he had the papers, but must of packed them up. I took the dog and he is supposed to get them to me. He still emails me telling me he is looking for them about every week. I believe he had them but I now fear that he lost them. My question is how would one go about getting duplicate or copies of the papers. The original owner just emailed me saying he contacted the place where he purchased him and is waiting for a response. Rocco is not fixed and i would love to be able to breed him. Can anybody help????
Wait, so the person you got Rocco from doesn't have the papers, and is having to contact the breeder/person he got the dog from? All around this sounds very shysty. Honestly I would never have taken the dog in the first place without having the papers to come with the dog.
If the previous owner had Rocco registered in his own name, Id think he would be able to call up the dog registry Rocco was registered with and talk wtih them about getting a duplicate copy of the papers.
I don't suppose Rocco has had his OFA certification for his hips or elbows?
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
I know it sounds fishy but, I believe he did have them. He took me to his new place and was digging through stuff trying to find them. If he was lying I do not think he would want me to know where he lives now. Everything was packed up and they were leaving that night. I will findout if he registered him with the dogs name. Anybody else
The original owner had to make a transfer of ownership when you bought the dog. Under CKC rules we have to supply that new owner within 6 months , with the new registration. Did he ever say that the dog ownership was transferred to you, and how long have you had him? If the ownership was never transferred, the onus is on the person who sold him to you to do that.
Is the dog tattooed or microchipped? If so it should be possible to get the info needed to contact the registry and get a supplimental transfer certificate and a new registration certificate. This will have to be done by the original owner or the breeder if the person you got the dog from didn't bother to send in the puppy certificate. I can tell you from personal experience as a breeder and as someone who has done Bullmastiff rescue for over 30 years that the possibility your dog doesn't have either hip or elbow dysplasia is about 10%.I have all my puppies tattoed with their AKC registration number before they leave me, a lot of breeders use microchips. The problem with the chips is there are a lot of dogs developing scarcomas at the site where the chip is implanted, also there are several companies that make them and each needs a different scanner to be read. The local Humane society or a vet may have all the scanners necessary to check for a microchip.
YOU, the buyer, cannot get a new copy. If the person you bought the dog from registered it with AKC then they can request a duplicate (it costs money BTW - the last time I did it, it was $15 to get a new AKC registration form). If they didn't register him in their name, then they only person who can get a copy of the registration form is the breeder.
Even more importantly - if the only reason you want the AKC papers is to breed your dog - ask the person you bought him from if it was purchased on full or limited registration. If it was limited registration, you can't register puppies from your dog regardless of if you get the papers as the breeder never wanted that dog bred. It it the breeder's decision whether a specific dog they breed should be bred or not. If the breeder isn't getting back to the person you bought the dog from - it is entirely possible the person was supposed to offer the dog back to the breeder first and he's dealing with some issues there, or the gentleman you purchased the dog from knows you want it for breeding and that he's not supposed to be bred.
This is a bit off topic and not what you're asking, but it may save you some work...
What do you know about the family behind your dog? Have you met the parents, the original breeder? Do you know if the parents of your dog are healthy? Have they had OFA & CERF clearances done? Is there any history of hip displaysia or eye problems or other breed specific problems in the family?
When you breed, you're not just breeding YOUR dog. You're also breeding it's entire family tree. Puppies can easily look and act more like a grandparent than a parent - and health problems surface from generations back if they are present.
Breeding CAN be fun. But it is a lot of work - and if you are attempting to responsibly create healthy, sound, great family pets it involves putting a lot of time, research and money into doing that before you ever see a single puppy, or sell one for that matter. And you HAVE to go into it knowing that you are prepared to keep, and care for a puppy with a health issue should you have one - or several - in your litter. The downfalls of breeding do equal the "fun".
In all honesty, it's entirely likely you will never see te AKC papers. Especially if the person you bought him from can't find them...
Ok I got the paperwork. The original owner had to get them from the place he purchased Rocco. I now have another question - I have to send the paperwork in and the original owner never registered him. He filled out the form. And I have the transfer form as well. Do I send them both in? Do I have to pay two transfer fees? I am a little confused. please help. And thank you for all your input so far.
The normal process of registration (CKC) goes like this. The original owner registers the litter, and sends the paper work in to CKC. CKC sends individual forms back as per amount of pups in the litter.If you used an outside stud, you also need the signature of that stud owner. When you sell the pup you (the original owner or breeder) fills out the back of the puppy's registration form with the name and address of the new owner(s) hence transferring ownership. That paper is then sent in, and the final registration is mailed to the new owners. If the person who originally bred the dog never registered your dog, you must get him to register the dog, and transfer ownership.You cannot send the papers in as you have them, because that was the responsibility of the original owner, and AKC will just send them back to you.
I just read your post again. You say you have 2 sets of papers. Is one the individual registration form for your dog, signed by the original owner? How did you get the transfer of ownership form, if the dog was never registered? Perhaps AKC's protocol is different, and I'm wrong. Someone can correct me if so.
We are talking about AKC, right? I'm a little confused, but from what I understand, you have the registration application and a transfer form? Harley's registration certificate has the transfer form on the back so I'm kind of confused how you could have an application and a separate transfer form. With AKC, the breeder registers the litter and receives a separate, numbered registration application for each puppy in the litter. The new owner then fills out the application a receives the registation certificate. If the dog has never been registered then you should only have to send in the application, registration fee and a late fee. If the dog isn't registered then there is nothing to transfer.