Just wanted everyone to know....I bought a Corgi from a AKC breeder she told me that her papers not came in yet and would mail them to me....well guess what it's been almost a year still have no papers and I would like to breed her so I'm going to reg. her with ckc....So not all AKC breeders are good she is a puppy mill I'm sure of it now....Have not been able to get her to call me back I really dont know how people live theirself screwing honest people around.
At least with AKC she could get in trouble for doing that if everything was properly written down on paper such as on a contract. If she had done that to you saying they were CKC registered, CKC could care less. Not all AKC breeders are good, but most all good breeders are AKC. At least where the breeds are recognized by AKC. UKC is good too, especially for non-AKC recognized breeds.
You can contact akc and let them know what she is doing. You have to have a contract stating that the pup was registared with them. If not, that isn't the breeders fault, your the one who didn't do the research and get a good contract.
You might want to rethink the whole breeding idea. You don't trust the breeder and consider her a puppymill, but you plan on using one of her dogs in your breeding program? Have you considered that maybe your dog has something to hide in her pedigree? Have you thought about how you will answer questions from potential buyers about the mother's background?
Your post is a bit funny to me. If you never got any AKC papers, then how is she an AKC breeder? No one has ever said that AKC doesn't register puppymill dogs or that every person who produces an AKC litter is a good breeder. I can't imagine where you got that idea. I thought the fact that AKC registered is not a sign of quality was common knowledge.
Seeing no one here knows the other side of the story, we cannot automatically assume you were suppose to get papers, or even perhaps, were to get them only after having the dog altered. If it was the latter, and you never altered thus never got the papers, then go on to CKC to register.
On the other hand, just because she was an 'AKC' breeder dones not make her instantly reputable. Always get a good contract that makes everything clear. Never take a puppy home without the papers in hand unles it is on a spay/neuter agreement.
I worry that now, after you didnt get the papers decide she ws a puppymill. Not providing the papers does not determine a puppymill. If in fact you believed she was a PM, why would you even buy a pup from her, let alone go on to breed it?
When you breed a dog, you take on all the baggage of the breeding decisions made by every breeder before you in that pedigree. If you don't trust her... how do you know she didn't breed two dogs together with hip displaysia, heart murmurs, severe temperament problems?
The less you know about the family tree, the greater the odds that you'll produce puppies with health problems. Then THOSE problems are your's because YOU are the breeder.
Breeding can be a lot of fun and a joyful experience... unless a whole bunch of problems come up. Even well planned litters from breeders with all the information needed to make good decision occasionally have puppies with health problems. The occurance when you don't know what your dealing with gets greater.
I personally wouldn't breed a dog unless I knew the family tree well - like I said, you take on the baggage of the decisions your girls breeder made. If they were really bad decisions... breeding her could be a great big nightmare.
No good comes from breeding Puppymill dogs... even when YOU'RE not a Puppymill...
Like other have suggested, the last thing one should ever do with a dog that was suspected to have come from a puppy mill would be to breed it. Without the necessary background of your own dog available, it would make more sense to start your breeding program with a different dog that has all of his papers from the start, and verifiable pedigree information that you can show to potential owners.
I'm not sure how many people actually read the AKC website before they buy a dog, but they have plenty of helpful information to help you make the right decisions and to know what to steer clear of. I've been in the process of buying a family dog, and during this process, I did read their site (and many many others). On their very own Puppy Buyers Beware page, it even mentions the very same situation you experienced:
"Be wary of excuses such as "AKC hasn't sent the papers yet." The AKC Dog Registration Form should be available at the time you pick up your puppy. If not, wait until the breeder receives it before you pay for and take home the pup. "
Anyway, I'm curious which CKC registry you were going to register your dog with. If you're going to be breeding dogs that are recognized by the AKC, you might as well start with a dog that has all its ducks in a row, and you'll never have any regrets as to how you did things. Nothing to hide.
It is acceptable to send the papers after taking the puppy - however you should have a contract stating when you will be receiving the papers (for example, I don't supply papers until I have proof of spay/neuter - which my contract spells out, and is acceptable by AKC). HOWEVER, you should, at the least, have the parents AKC registration numbers (to verify they are AKC registered) and better would be the actually AKC number of the puppy. I register my litters well before they leave UNLESS I'm waiting for the stud owner or co-breeder to sign the litter ap (which sometimes has a delay). That means, I have the number for the individual puppies, and can show the new owner their papers... I just refuse to give them without spay/neuter verification.
This is a common and accepted practice (I cleared it through my AKC Rep/Inspector before adopting this policy) and by no means indicates a shady breeder. I do this BECAUSE APRI and other registries will register a dog sold with Limited papers for breeding. If I say I don't want a dog bred - I don't want it bred. I'm up front about this from the beginning of all relationships with my buyers.
And it shouldn't be about the "pedigree" to the buyer... it should be more about the fact that your breeder knows and understands the dogs IN the pedigree. They need to have a good strong understanding of health and temperament in the family. You as a pet buyer should expect your breeder to sound like a human encyclopedia. And be eager to share that knowledge with you.
Yeah, always a question of whether or not there was a spay and neuter clause. Did you agree to spay your corgi and send the crtificate before the breeder would send the papers? Even when the papers are limited, and are recieved with the puppy, people still call you later wanting to breed? Even though it was explained verbally and in the contract.