I have a 5 month old Boston Terrier named Stanley. We've been battling parasites and diarrhea in the poor guy since we picked him up from the breeder 5 weeks ago.
In his first trip to the vet he tested positive for giardia and coccidia. We treated both with Flagyl and Albon, and after two weeks the diarrhea only seemed to be getting worse and there was blood in his stool.
We took him back to the vet and again he tested positive for coccidia. The vet put him on Metro for 10 days, and a diet of overcooked white rice and grilled chicken.
Once he was on the rice diet the diarrhea cleared up. We weened him back on his regular kibble after he completed the meds and once again the diarrhea is back.
Does anyone have experience in treating parasites in their dogs? Is it more likely the meds didn't clear the parasites completely? Was he treated with the right meds? From what I've read parasites are tricky to get rid of and often require several courses of medications. Before going back for another pricy vet visit, is there anything more I can do on my own? Should I put Stanley back on the rice diet?
Oh poor wee Stanley!!! This is very close to my heart, before you read this and say "who is this looney"? lol. Firstly, the kennel you bought him from must have had Coccidiosis, and that shows some poor breeding practices. Both Coccidia, and Giardia go hand in hand, and are treated with 2 different drugs. The problem is, the oocysts of Coccidia, are not shed in every stool sample. I would take stool samples for at least 72 hours, and then take them to the vet for analysis. The best treatment is 10 days of Albon, and then 5 days of Flagyl right on top of that. You then take the 72 hour stool sample, and may go through another round of meds. There are a few things that you have to do though now, since Stanley is 5 months old.Go on a cleaning frenzy, with quarternany ammonia, and or a weak solution of bleach.( I would use both, just not mixed together, of course) The oocysts are in your dogs bed, on the ground outside, if you live in a milder climate, and they can also lurk in water bowls...just about every single place you can think of. I would start with cleaning little Stanley's crate, and wherever you keep him. You must leave the cleaning solution on for a good long time, because the oocysts have a very hard shell. In the meantime, bathe Stanley with a weak solution of ammonia, or chlorox (very weak, as in 1 teaspoon to a large bucket of soapy water. Try and hold him in it as long as you can, concentrating on his back end. Do not get any of the cleaning solution in his eyes or ears, obviously.Put Stanley in a place where you can continue to blast your house and outdoors with the cleaning solution. Where do you live? (depending what climate it is, you may have to go outside and clean as well) What food were you feeding that little man? My advice is to feed him baby rice pablum and goat's milk, until the diarrhea stops. Most vets will look at you like you're mental, if you ask them about this, however, I've done this, as a Boston breeder, and I swear by it. I would speak to the kennel you purchased him from, and tell them your situation, not they will be very responsive, but it's worth a try. What kind of health guarantee did you get, and is Stanley registered? I'd love to see a picture of him, if you can post one. So, the key here, is diligence in cleaning, treatment with Albon and Flagyl, and probably more than once, because of his age. You can buy Albon and Flagyl in bulk, but hopefully you can get a handle on this before doing that. Coccidia is one of the hardest parasites to treat, because it can lay dormant, and then break out when the dog is stressed.I will be waiting to hear how the little guy is. Give him a big kiss for me.
***Edited By: Pen2 on 1/26/2009 2:41:06 PM*** Reason: correction.
it is possible that his stomach is all out of wack from all the diarreah (sorry for the bad spelling). You could try adding some pumkin and yogurt to his food. I have found it works wonders with loose stool.
Chances are the parasites are probably gone. I would just take a stool sample to the vet and have him check it. It shouldn't require the dog to go. The other think you might want to consider is having him tested for toxoplasmosis. It is something a bitch can get from eating cat poo. The bitch wont show signs, but the puppies get it. If your puppy has tested positive for the parasites, it probably isn't a big worry, more of an FYI.
Lastly, make sure you are diligent about cleaning everything possible up (waste wise) when you puppy goes. It is very easy for the puppy to become reinfected from its own waste. I hope your baby is better soon.
Thank you for the detailed response! It's great to know there's other boston lovers out there who have been in the same boat. :) I added a picture of our little guy.
We've been in touch with the breeder several times since we got him regarding the parasites. Unfortunately he hasn't been helpful other than to inform us that parasites are very common and he isn't responsible. He had covered himself from responsibility on parasites, kennel cough, and other common ailments in the contract we had signed.)
We had another scare the first week we brought Stanley home. He woke up with a mild case of Cherry Eye, which we also took him to the vet for. They gave him artifical tear drops and recommended a pricy surgery. Luckily this went away on it's own after just a day. We're keeping our fingers crossed that it doesn't come back.
Regarding the cleaning frenzy, are the oocysts only in places where the dog has soiled? Or can they lurk throughout the house or anywhere the dog has been?
Stanley usually relieves himself in the same spot in the front yard. We live in Northern Jersey and the temperature has been around 20 - 30 since we got him. We try to clean up the waste as soon as he goes, but with the diarrhea there is always a little bit that remains. Can the parasites survive in the freezing temperature?
We're feeding him Purina One chicken and rice kibble, 1/2 cup twice a day. How much and how often do you recommend of the rice pablum and goat's milk?
Could also be cryptosporidium (kinda like coccidia on steroids I guess, LOL). I've seen a course of panacure help a bit with coccidia too, but you already used metro. Also, is your puppy a poo eater? And while it seems to be the case here based on description, coccidia and giardia do not ALWAYS come from the kennel, and are not ALWAYS a reflection of husbandry (which leaves a nice out for those who's kennels ARE infected, sigh). They can be exposed in a variety of ways, and let's not forget those who have their puppies around other dogs, and in public places, or didn't see them take that drink from or play in that infected water. Could there be some other underlying problem in the GI tract or with the immune system? I also think it's worth asking the breeder, though unlikely they'll help too much. But if they did have a small outbreak that either showed up before they left (and they thought it was taken care of), or other's in the litter showed up the same shortly after leaving,they might offer some help, or at least some advice. At a minimum, I would think they would want to know if the puppy came into your care with it. They may request the records from your vet, if you decide to talk to them about it. Always worth a shot.
Hi, the food you are feeding Stanley is a very poor food, with the biggest protein source coming from CORN...yikes!!! The rest of the ingredients are also poor, brewer's yeast, and by products being 2 I can remember off the top of my head. I can tell you that no decent Boston breeder I know feeds a food containing corn to their dogs, and I was actually a witness to what would happen if it was fed to mine. I had a visitor come down, and one of my studs got into my friend's dog's food, containing corn. My dog had explosive diarrhea for 2 days. Please try him with the rice pablum, and goat's milk, probably a good half cup 3 times a day, but read the calories, and content of the pablum, since I don't have one in front of me. I then suggest, after a week of this diet, that you switch your food to Innova Evo Small Bites, a tablespoon at a time mixed with the pablum and goat's milk. It will take him a little while to get used to it, but his stomach should not be as inflamed as it is now, by then. I would go to the area where Stanley has always gone to do his business, and dig all the feces up, and even part of the ground, since the oocysts bury into the ground.Put the feces in a bag, and burn it. I would then soak the ground with a stronger solution of ammonia and water, or Chlorox and water, and again in the spring. If you got your pup when it was still above freezing, yes, your yard will be infected. As far as your house goes, just vacuum and clean it thoroughly,but concentrate hard on Stanley, his bed, crate and living area. I still recommend the 72 hour feces sample, and if it's clear, I would almost guarantee you that the diarrhea stems from the corn in Purina. As far as toxoplasmosis goes, I honestly don't think Stanley has it, no offense to the person who posted it. If the dog were older, I would consider it. Toxoplasmosis in puppies comes on vey quickly, attacking the liver, and general body system of the pup. He would have a fever, respiratory trouble, leading quickly to seizures and death. I honestly feel that Stanley came from a S@%T H&$E of a kennel, given his condition, including the cherry eye. The Einstein 'breeder' who told you parasites are common in dogs is right. What he's wrong about is selling a puppy with full blown Coccidiosis, and then not refunding part or whole of your money. I would be ashamed of myself if I ever had an adoptive parent and tell me what you just told your 'breeder', and I use the term loosely.Is that a recent picture of Stanley, or is it a current picture? How much does he weigh now? Another big smooch for Stanley.
***Edited By: Pen2 on 1/26/2009 3:50:22 PM*** Reason: spelling
Though I do fail to see where cherry eye deems them a bad breeder, It is common in the breed and not a indicator of bad breeding practices. Seeing it was not present when sold, the breeder would have no way of knowing it was going to occur.
As far as the rest, IF the pup did indeed come with the coccidiosis already full blown...yep, they definitely should have held him until it was 100% cleared up. Keep in mind too, this can be aggravated by stress and other factors as well, so unless it was immediately happening same day he came from the breeders, there could be questions if he did not pick it up either from a place you took him or another pet he came in contact with that had it. They should have made it right by covering the cost of treatment if he left already infected, even if it was in the contract, its the right thing to do.
To treat, Yes, clean everything! Floors, beds, furniture, anywhere he has been. The ground is hard to treat, but I would anyway. Use ammonia (10%) solution, bleach does not kill the bacteria. Any other pet in the home will also contract this from him, so will need kept away from him and use seperate potty areas etc until it is cleared up.
Just wanted to add... it's important that new puppy owners don't think parasite/bacteria control is done when the puppy leaves the breeder. Until a puppy is a year old they should be periodically dosed preventatively and stools should be monitored. As long as they have an incompletely developed immune system, outbreaks of parasites or bacteria (coccidia is a bacteria, NOT a parasite) are common and easy to come by. Unless you keep puppies on a sterile surface 24/7, they are often unavoidable experiences (and I'd rather have a well adjusted, well socialized puppy than one I KNOW is parasite/bacteria free).
I recommend dosing with Panacur/Safeguard every 6-8 weeks until a dog is 9-12 months (repeat 10-14 days after first doseage).
With the OP's puppy... I would consider adding a Probiotic to his food (helps restore the GOOD bacteria to his system since you're essentially knocking everything out - which is probably why he has icky stools still. You're killing ALL bacteria which is causing a mild colitis).
I would also STRONGLY recommend a low grain food with a short ingredient list. California Naturals would be a good one. Keep things as simple for him as possible. Cheap foods with a lot of artificial flavor and color will be hard on his system. And anything with corn... BAD idea. I'm sure you know how YOUR system reacts when you eat a corn based diet and already are having digestive problems.
And, not that I'm defending the breeder, BUT the OP signed the contract. If the breeder told them ahead of time they don't cover any kind of parasite... the buyer SHOULD be suspicious there is a reason why. My guess is the breeder struggles with parasite issues and is covering their rear end. BUT it could also be that they have dealt with a neurotic puppy buyer as well... Keep in mind, breeder's get burned by dishonest people also...
I'm kind of surprised that the buyer's vet is having such an issue getting things under control. Giardia can be tricky to knock out... but Coccidia shouldn't be as big an issue. It's something the puppy should overcome with a stonger immune system... I'd be focused on good diet and thorough cleaning...
As first time dog owners, we didn't go to the breeder fully equipped with the knowledge we have now. Granted we had done research to prepare for the new puppy and checked the references of the breeder, but aside from that we put a lot of trust in the breeder himself. We blame ourselves now for not being fully prepared and recognizing the symptoms from the onset. The breeder didn't mention the possibility of parasites when we had signed the contract, and we at the time knew little of parasites or their effect on puppies. The breeder had told us the puppy may have diarrhea for the first few days as he adjusts to his new home and new food, and it was he who also recommened Purina One.
Stanley did have diarrhea from the moment we took him home, and within 36 hours we took him to the vet for a checkup and learned of the parasites. We called the breeder immediately to let him know, which is when he covered his tracks by letting us know how common they are in pups and he's covered from financial responsibilities in his contract. He did offer to take Stanley back for a full refund, but we had already grown so attached to our little guy that was unthinkable at the time.
Aside from the diarrhea, Stanley has been playful and happy puppy. The picture is from right after we took him home. He was about 6 pounds then, and he's up to 7.5 now.
We've already our cleaning rampage, scrubbing down the house with ammonia and bleach washing all of Stanleys blankets, towels, and stuffed animals. Outside is a little more difficult. We have about 8 inches of snow on the ground, which is rock solid at the moment. We're going to treat the areas where Stanley normally relieves himself with amonia, and once the snow melts we'll treat again.
As of last night he's on a new diet of the rice pablum and goat's milk. Our vet gave us another 10 day supply of metro. Happy to say his poop this morning was already looking better. :)
We threw out all the Purina One food and we'll be switching over to Innova Evo after the rice pablum course.
I'll keep everyone posted on his progress over the next few weeks. Thanks again for all your advice and support!
Hi, just wanted to mention that my amounts for feeding Stanley are just a guess. He is very tiny for his age, poor little man, and if he's scarfing the half cup down, I may slowly add a little more. Another important piece of advice from abbylynne was to feed him probiotics. You can continue with the acidophillus,but lactobacillus would be good as well. If you can find a probiotic supplement, good, if not then include a small portion of plain, yoghurt with the pablum and goat's milk. Good luck, I can't wait to see another picture of Stanley. How is his eye looking, and is it red at all?I have a theory about his eye, but need a close up head on picture of his little face, to further explain what I'm thinking. I'm just curious, did you go to this breeder's kennel, and did you see Stanley's parents? Did the breeder say whether or not he had the parents and grandparents health tested at all? What type of place was Stanley living in, and were any of the rest of his litter still there?
abbylynne, I'm sorry to disagree with you, but Coccidia is not bacteria. They are tiny single celled organisms, and the eggs they shed are called oocysts, as a few other parasites have.(hookworms) They are not a worm, but they are most definitely a parasite. The oocysts bury them selves in the puppy's digestive tract, and can also go dormant as well..I included a link to just one of many sites on Coccidia.
Stanley does scarf down the 1/2 cup. Sometimes so fast we're not even sure if he's chewing. We were going by the vet's feeding guideline's for his age and weight, which was 3/4 to 1 cup per day. We did worry that Stanley might be underweight but the vet had reassured me he was fine for his age. What is a healthy weight for a 5 month old boston?
We'll try gradually adding to the portions. Right now we're giving him 1/2 an acidophillus tablet once a day with his meal. Do we need to cut back on the acidophillus when we introduce the lactobacillus? Or is it safe to give him the recommeded dose for both?
I added a more recent photo of Stanley. His left eye had the cherry eye. You can no longer see the 3rd gland, however the eye is slightly more red than the right, and it is occasionally watery.
We picked up Stanley from the breeder's house, where he also runs his business, but his parents were at a different kennel. The breeder does not specialize in just Bostons, and he works with other breeders in the area. ***** No websites, kennel names, etc permitted on this forum***
Stanley was born at the kennel where his parents are, then transferred to the breeder's house when he was a few months old. From what we saw the breeder's house was clean and well kept, but I cannot say what the facilities were like where he spent his first two months.
Stanley was one of two puppies left from his litter. His sister was about the same size as him. Stanley's parents had been tested for genetic disorders and we did receive a copy of his pedigree, and his parents and grandparents are registered with the ACA. The breeder guarenteed against hereditary disorders.
Do you think his eye troubles could be genetic? I would like to know your theory so we can do some more research and discuss it up with out vet on our next visit.
*websites to kennel sites, puppies fro sale, kennel names etc cannot be used on the forum.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 1/28/2009 2:48:56 PM*** Reason: removed link
I think that this whole genetic thing is being used way over much personally. Also seems that alot of things that also have other sources are being touted as ONLY genetic. Alot of things are genetic, but alot of those things come with being responsible for and choosing our specific breed or being responsible for a pet period. This is why alot of us qualify with something like life threatening and/or debilitating and/or beyond normal for the breed. Stuff like that. Who here has also felt in the need to specifically exclude cherry eye in their contract (raises hand, even though none of my dogs, or any of the related dogs I know ever had to have a repair, YET, it's still there, because they are what they are)? I just think it is becoming entirely to common to blame the breeder for every single thing that comes up in our pet's lifetime (and that word genetic or hereditary comes up entirely too often). Sometimes I feel like the whole thing is making it impossible for there to be GOOD breeder's anymore, because everything makes you a bad breeder, if you can follow that. If Stanley DOES need a repair, I would talk to several different vets who do each of the repairs in detail(there are two), and the pros and cons of each type, to decide what is right for you and Stanley. My personal decision would be to remove it completely, but that's me. How's he doing on the other stuff? I am curious, how much of this was adhered to in your case? Where you made aware of your remedies? http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a1_petshoplaws_state.php?s=ny http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/AGM_Art_35D.pdf (for 753 in more detail)
Sounds like he was either a broker, was selling a pup he received as payment for stud service (which does not add up if the father was not there either) or they use a secondary location to sell the pups to cover up the conditions in which the pups came from.
If they say the parents were tested....what were they tested for, and did you get to see a copy of the results, OFA papers, numbers, anything?
I'm with karibear.....it is getting totally ridiculous the things that people expect to be gentically covered anymore.
*not talking about OP...you are simply asking the questions, and this is not intended directly at you*
But, over the years, it has gotten worse and worse for the things people want to blame the breeder for, and expect refunds, full or partial over. My contracts get longer with each incident, crazy things one would not think they had to include, lol.
Yeah, it was not directed at OP, just general. It is really frustrating to alot of us I'm sure. Have you checked out their site? Broker, or in home pet shop so it's not a pet shop? I believe that there are some people whom are sincerely trying to find an acceptable middle ground, but am not sure if I would classify these folks as one of them, since I don't have enough information to do that. Breeding program??? I was wondering if the health testing meant a basic exam was passed, or actual testing and certifications as well.