My neice took her 6 month old english bulldog to be neutered yesterday, they did all the pre-testing and said everything was fine they put him under and said he just quit breathing,and they tried to revive him but couldnt, can someone please tell me how could this happen and what can they do, they are truly devasted about losing their beloved Toby as are the rest of us
I'm so sorry about your lovely little Bulldog. My condolences go out to all of you. Unfortunately the brachycephalic breeds are risky to anesthatize, and unless the vet doing the surgery has done many such operations on these breeds, things can go terribly wrong. I'm not saying that this what happened in your case. Sometimes horrible events occur for no apparent reason. Once again, I'm so sorry for your loss.
As you said, the pup was pre-tested for anaesthetic, and deemed safe to operate on. There are many reasons why this pup could have stopped breathing. I can't speak for other breeders, although I know any responsible one would explain the significance of undertaking any surgery with great caution, on a brachycephalic dog. I'm sorry I can't give you a better answer, and once again, I'm so sorry for your loss.
First of all, my deepest sympathies on your niece's loss.
It's important to remember that modern medicine isn't magic. With the marvelous things that doctors (both MDs and DVMs) can do these days, I think we have a tendancy to let down our guard and assume that the docs can do anything. They can't. Surgery always carries risks -- for any animal or any person.
I have no way of knowing if the vet did anything wrong to cause this. There may be no way of knowing. I know that "not knowing" is hard, but please don't assume that someone is at fault.
I encourage your niece to ask questions, but not automatically accuse.
What has the vet explained as far as he knows, about what went wrong? Is he experienced doing surgery on brachycephalic dogs? Did he personally do the pre-test? Did the pup have any other pre-existing conditions? What does the breeder have to say about this terrible tragedy? Has the breeder lost pups before on the surgical table? These are all questions I would ask, and although there may not be an explanation at all, perhaps there is more information to be gleaned by doing a little research. I'm very sorry about the pup, I would be heart broken as well. Please give my condolences to your niece, as well as a big ((hug)).
ALL surgeries carry risk. You could die getting your tooth pulled just as easy as this dog died getting neutered. Its just a risk involved with surgery. I am sorry it happened but, it is a freak accident. I am sure at some point before the surgery somebody signed a waiver of liability if the dog died or was injured due to the inherit risk of surgery. Most all vet clinics have a waiver form like this. Please, do not hold this vet liable, he is only human and probably feels bad the dog died too. One reason not to go into the veterinary field because if something happens beyond your control people try to sue you.
thank you all for all of your help and condolences, we have never had this happen before to any of our pets and we have had many between our family members, it was just such a shock and we just wanted to get some answes as to if this has ever happened to anyone else of if something did go wrong, nothing will bring back Toby but we would really like to know what happened and possibly why, I personally have never had an issue with my vet but we know things can go wrong and if someone did do something i thing that something should be done
Some breeds are prone to more health problems than others. I consider the EBD to be one of those breeds. That's one of the reasons I got a brittany as my last dog -- a sturdy, healthy, vigorous breed. But he developed cancer and died before he was 1-1/2. So there ya go.... Stuff happens.
I am so sorry..awwwwwww. I see it's been a few days since you have posted. You could have had an autopsy done. Then you would have had some answers perhaps. I would not have had it done by the same facility though.
Sorry again. It may have been unavoidable. You may never know. So sad. I love Bulldogs. all dogs go to heaven where I feel we will be joined with them again. Tell your neice to read the RAINBOW POEM please. she can find it by doing an internet search.
I'm so sorry that Toby's gone now. That just sucks. Pen's right though, Bullies are prone to health issues and precautions have to be taken with these types of pets. You live and learn, unforuantely sometimes the extremely hard way, but I'm sure your niece will learn something from this.
I don't know how many dogs I've had since I was a kid before I found out that raisins are poisonous to dogs. I think back now and wonder if my lab Jake died "naturally" or if giving him my raisins from lunch after school had anything to do with it.
I'm older now and I take measures to protect my bulldogs from the unknown, as much as I can protect them from it, with knowledge I look for, read, or get from helpful people like on the TP forum.
I drive an hour to a vet that specializes in bulldogs for big procedures like births and simple innoculations/shots are done by a nearby vet. A good vet really is hard to find. I don't think a vet would turn away a chance to look at any dog, because to them, and this is my opinion, any dog that comes in - is money. Plus, a vet probably wants to expand their knowledge and praticing on different types of dogs lets them live and learn as well.
Again, *winces* so sorry, you have the right to be angry.
It is unfortunate that our vets can not know every single thing about every single problem and every single breed. We can't expect them to either. Surgery is always a risk and yes there can be alot of mistakes with anesthesia. In a bulldog (and some other breeds), you add several other issues having to do with a structure that is different and can be more dangerous as well as additional anesthesia issues to the normal ones. Not to mention the tendancy for their hearts to just give out sometimes. Bulldogs are very tough to know. Things that are considered to be expected or normal in them can be considered a major problems in some other breeds. This can make it hard for alot of vets to decipher what ACTUALLY goes over the line to being an actual problem to lay on the breeder. Quite frustrating. This can happen even at a vet who DOES specialize in them. It does not however mean they did anything wrong actually, and it would be very difficult to tell. I am very sorry for your family's loss.
anyone owning a bulldog, french bulldog, etc. needs to carefully research veterinarians who have had great experience and success with use of anesthetics in these breeds, as these breeds are well known to have big problems with this. Don't blame the breeder, as this is part of dealing with "bullies" ; however, realize that this is a manmade breed that has been allowed to develope to the extreme, that triggers these breathing problems. so sorry that you lost your "baby"
again thanks for all of your condolences and help in this difficult time, as of yet no answers were given by the vet other than he quit breathing and the breeder didnt have much to say either about it only that she had heard this could happen. As of now we are all trying to cope with the loss and hopefully my niece and her husband will get another dog. Thanks again for all your information.
Sometimes these things just happen and no one can say for sure why. We had a rescue Mastiff, went in for a procedure, died while being prepped, never even received the anesthesia....they tried to revive him to no avail. Autopsy gave us no answers either.
My heart goes out to you, I know how bad it hurts.