I saw a video of a breeder, don't know if it was backyard or whatever, anyways, they home-removed the dew claws, did it them selves. And it was a tiny Shih Tzu baby, and oh my god, that looked so painful! He snipped it off and the poor thing screamed and squiggled, then he like did the fire thing, what is it called a sawter gun? On the puppies foot then it screamed more. Now I know that they need them removed, and have nothing against it, but is there another way? This person looked like they were killing the poor thing. And since the puppies bones are softer when babies, it is easier. But, I don't know maybe its just because I have never seen it before, but the poor thing looked in pain.
Shelties: Not enough words to describe how much I love them.
That is so sad and sounds so painful! There are people on eBay that sell home dew claw removal kits with instructions! I just can't bring myself to do that. My vet will remove dew claws for about $2.00 per pup and if any of them need their tails docked he does that for $8.00 per pup. How old was that poor baby? My vet wants mine in his office before they are at least 1 week but no older (if I can help it.) God bless those babies!
***Edited By: oxfordbostons on 2/23/2009 7:19:21 PM*** Reason: Mistake
That is horrible. I couldn't bare to watch. My pups are done at 3 days, 4 at the most. I wont let a vet wait a week, I am afraid their nerves are starting to form. Anyway, my vet does it quick and I belive painless. I have seen one of my babies cry, scream or wiggle to much. I don't think anyone should do it at home, and it should only be done by a licesned Vet.
The babies were at least 2-3 days, so cute! I didn't finish the video, didn't want to watch the poor baby. And it said this is how they do all of their pups! That pisses me off, and I fell for the baby.
Shelties: Not enough words to describe how much I love them.
I'm currently reading "the Dogs Mind," and the vet who wrote it is of the opinion that no matter how young you do it, the dogs do feel the pain, they just react to it very slowly. He also seems to think it has an impact on the developing psyche of the dog. I personally find removing dew claws and docking tails a barbaric practice. I mean really, if you can't clip a dew claw, you really shouldn't own a dog. And what is the point of tail docking? Dogs express themselves and communicate with their tails, why should we cut them off? All for the sake of show. The GSD breed was pretty much ruined in this country because of people breeding for a certain look that showed well, and ruined their hips. I won't brace Sheltie ears anymore either. If the dogs ears are up, that is how they will stay at my house now. Having your ears braced just isn't any fun for the dog, and above all, I will have happy dogs. I think we really need to rethink some of these practices. What difference does it make if a dogs ears stand up? The dog is no less beautiful, or fit. A large percentage of the Shelties that are bred have ears like this, it's not like it is a deformity. I just don't get it. The AKC is supposed to be about the betterment of the breeds, yet if we want a Champion, we have to subject our dogs to all these practices, that really are cruel. It's a shame.
Hi Laura, I respect your opinion, but as far as I am concerned. I can cut a dewclaw, I am a groomer and cut them quite often. On most of my breed, they are attached by a sliver of skin, and putting a 3day old through the removal is so much more humane then putting a 6month old dog through the pain of pulling it completly out while they play. Some vets have the opinion that the puppies feel pain, and it haunts them, some vets don't. I personally do not believe that a puppy feels pain at that young of an age. If a mother can lay on her puppy and kill it, they cant feel much. I have seen aussies with tails have them ripped off. skined from burrs on the trail etc. I would rather remove them. I do not like the idea of cropping ears, but if I have to be for it to keep my dogs tails dock, I will.
It is like everything else, a matter of opinion. It is what make the world go around, and what makes us different. I wouldn't change a thing
I hear ya, Laura and I, too, am respectful of your thoughts. I've just always had the dew claws removed because Boston Terriers are so active and playful and I've heard some horror stories about them accidentally being pulled out. Not intentionally of course but just through play. The reason I get longer tails docked is because of an incident where a breeder friend of mine had a Boston that was born with a somewhat long tail and as it developed into the famous 'screw tail' it began to ingrow back into the hind area and into the skin. It was really tough on the little guy to undergo surgery to have it docked when he was about 6 months old I think? And recovery was also more difficult. I've never done the ear cropping thou.
Illusion, I agree it's all a matter of opinion and that's what makes us all unique!
I still feel bad for these poor little guys that were squirming and yelping. And how in the world can people video themselves doing things like that? I'm too chicken to try and remove them on my own.
I respect your opinion, too, and if you feel it's in the best interest of your dogs, then that is what you should do. BTW- did it seem that I was saying that you, specifically, couldn't clip a dewclaw? If so, I apologize, I meant people in general. Regarding the tails, wouldn't simply trimming the hair, on the tails of working dogs, prevent these injuries? I don't think that any of the other herding breeds have a breed standard that require tail docking, and yet they all would be at risk for these same injuries. Seems that maybe some owners of working dogs must have figured another way to handle it, or it would have become a traditional practice for all of the herding breeds. I have heard before that dewclaws are removed to prevent them from catching on things and hurting the dog, but I've never actually heard of that happening to a dog with his dewclaws. Is it really a common occurrence? It seems to me, that if it is kept trimmed, it shouldn't be any more likely to get caught on something than any of the dogs other nails. Maybe some dogs dewclaws are more loosely attached than others, but then why not wait until the dog is done growing, and then, if they need to be removed, have it done professionally and with anethesia? I can't imagine why it would be necessary to crop a dogs ears.
I doubt the part about trimming the dew claw was taken personally, it seemed general to me... and goodness knows I can't trim one for sure myself. I've never had it happen to one of my dogs but it did happen to a breeder friend of mine's Boston. It was horrible. I see what you are saying about waiting until they are older but Boston Terriers and Bulldogs in general are classified as brachycephalic breeds and most vets don't like to put the under anaesthesia unless it's absolutely necessary. So, they just remove them when they are babies.
P.S. I like your caption. I bought a bumper sticker / magnet for my car that says: "My Boston is smarter than your honor student" and people love it...I get so many compliments on that. Cute!
No Laura your statement was not taken personally, sorry if I made you think that way.
The tail thing has mainly an old fashioned thing. Different dogs were bred for different types of terrian. For me the Australian shepherd was developed here in the US, and it was found that sharp burrs, thorn, etc. would scrap the skin and get embeded in the hair of the tail causing infections. (we assume this becuase of what we have seen in now adays aussies who have tails overseas). As some point it started be done, and I love the wiggle butt. It is no way changes their expression, like so many people think.
Aussies also had and still many from herding lines have alot less coat then what is in the show ring. Judges are Idiots.
Collies were bred for highland sheep, so they rarely ran into this kind of problem, so they kept their tails. Shelties very similar type of terrian.
It just depends on where they came from. Bouv's have their tails docked, So do one of the corgies (I cant remember which one). I don't know if it is right or wrong. A bad vet can do a bad tail dock, just like a bad plastic surgeon can do a bad job. The puppy millers and BYB shouldn't be allowed to do it themselves. Here is PA we have changed a few of those laws, but I do not know who inforces them.
My Boston, Mindy still has her dew claws. She's the only dog that I've ever had that has had them. I got Mindy at about 9 months of age. I have no idea where she came from, but this lady that had her no longer wanted Mindy because she was so active after being crated all day. So I don't know if this was a breeder that didn't like having them cut, or a backyard breeder that didn't want to spend a couple of dollars. Min has a longer nose then any of my other Bostons had, so she really doesn't appear to have been from really good breeding, though she is very nicely marked. Anyways, so far she hasn't had one of her dew claws tear, but I always worry about it. She also doesn't seem comfortable about me clipping those two, but is fine with all of her other nails.
not yet. We had our x-ray yesterday, and the vet thinks she took on the last tie. We could bearly see 2 "zippers", but there could be more if she is really closer to 3wks away. I will anounce when they arrive. I reallly hope more then 2. Stud owner gets choice, but usuallly when 3 or more. Problem is the male has been sold. It is a sticky situation. Thanks for asking
I am all for removal of dewclaws. My poodle came out of the shelter with a torn off dewclaw. Must of hurt tremedously for that to have happened. Probably getting it taken off at a couple of days old would not have compared to having a full grown adult nail ripped out. Ouch. Our rescue will do dewclaws if needed when we send a dog in for a neuter/spay. We recently had a litter of rotties all with back dewclaws, most were the dangly kind just attatched by skin, Most were doubled. So I am for it. Oddly the people that had them, had their tails docked. We got all 6 pups when they could not handle the fact of having them there anymore.
Whoever said you can't buy happiness, must have never owned a dog!!!!!!!!!!!
I rescued an older shih tzu and she has her dew claws. I don't want to remove them now because it will really hurt her and she's been through enough. But they are a problem and do get caught even thou I trim them. She hates having them trimmed and I wish they would have removed them.