Why would you say color matters the most as to price? It seems that way referring back to your post. Now if you had listed Champion sire or dam, or even 3 points from CH Title. It would be interesting to see what the input of some average prices of your puppies would or should be. But it sounds like you have no good or practical motive other than money and color. You could say a electric purple shade of seinna and I will ask what's so special about your puppies that need to be measured in relation to value?
Sorry Monstarr, the OP doesn't state that she is trying to charge top dollar based on color or anything else. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding her post, she clearly stated that her concern is in placing the pups in good homes and fears just giving them away would not accomplish that goal.
To the OP, I am not familiar with the GS breed but you can generally check out various breeders through the AKC site. It is going to depend, as Monstarr has said on blood lines, CHs in the lines of the breeding pair, the conformation and temperament of both parents, etc...
Registration does not necessarily indicate breeding "worthiness", so it may be part of what you consider, but it's not the only deciding factor.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
Thank you for the constructive feedback pyrmom. You are correct.
My main concern is to get the puppies in good homes. I find if people pay for what they think is worthwhile and fair they tend to treat those things a little better. If they pay too little, they think they got something "cheap" and don't care as much about taking care of it...too much and they feel ripped off or don't want to pay that much if they don't think it is worth it. I figured it would be the same with puppies.
The only reason I mentioned color is because I was trying to give a general idea of what the dogs look like. I don't know if that matters or not. I spent quite a bit of time trying to find an average price, but they seem to range so much it boggled my mind.
For monstarr's edification- The male does have a champion within 3 generations (if I remember correctly- I'd have to double check). I didn't mention it because I didn't think it mattered- and really still don't. I just want to figure out an average price so people will be happy with what they are getting and provide them with a good home. So please....kindly read the post for what it says and don't just slam someone for not knowing. I am not a breeder. I would have taken it a lot better if you'd just constructivly explained your point instead of trying to be a wise guy.
Tridon, you most certainly are a breeder. That doesn't mean you are a responsible/reputable breeder, but a breeder nonetheless. Allowing your dog to become pregnant makes you a breeder, the same would be true if you owned the male that impregnated the female. You don't indicate whether this was an intentional or "oops" breeding, how old the two dogs are or anything other than their colors and that they are AKC registered. I would be amazed if either dog had any health screenings done. You are right that having a Champion in the pedigree really means very little...for all you know the dog could have gotten his championship at 12 months, been bred at 18 months, and found to have hip dysplasia at 2 years.
Besides trying to figure out a price to charge for the puppies, you should also draw up a contract that includes a spay/neuter clause, any health guarantee you plan to give, determine whether you are going to accept the puppies back if the buyer no longer wants or can keep them, etc.
I hope you are prepared for the whelping. If not ask questions NOW and not when your dog has gone into labor and may be having problems. I do wish you good luck and hope your girl has an uncomplicated delivery and healthy puppies.
As far as pricing, I'm not sure the range for the GS breed but I feel that you are correct in the care that pups receive based on what is paid for them. Not always, but a lot of the time.
Many moons ago, when we began breeding Boston Terriers, we had an idea how to price them, based on what we had paid in the past for our breeders. Someone told us to charge more for females, more for certain markings, etc. However, I soon realized that those who paid less, seemed to care less. Therefore, I decided on a competitive price and all of my dogs cost the same amount - regardless of sex or markings. I regularly search for Bostons just to make sure that I am still competitive for my area. I begin allowing my puppies to be placed in approved homes around 10 weeks of age and I have never had a puppy still at my home longer than 12 weeks of age. (I allow 'pick and deposit' to begin around 6 to 8 weeks.) What I suggest is simply using the site to your advantage. Search for your breed in your state on here. Then, search neighboring states and kind of average the prices.
Again, I'm not too familiar with the breed you have but I do wish you the best of luck in placing each and every puppy in a new, loving home.
Welcome Tridom. Wow, very first post and you got hit with the "only breed showdogs" attitude. I think it's fine to breed pets, as long as you raise them right and send them out in the world to be the best pets they can be. Will this be your first litter? Are you planning anymore? You may want to pick up a book or do some reading online to learn about the developmental stages puppies go through. Are you familiar with the Monks of New Skete? They bred and trained German Shepards, and wrote some books on it. One of them is "The Art of Raising a Puppy," I bet you'd find it helpful. You may also want to pick up "The Complete Book of Dog Breeding" by Dan Rice, DVM. I don't want to scare you, because most dogs will deliver a healthy litter just fine, w/ little or no help from you, but sometimes things do go wrong. When they do, it is important to be able to recognize it and get help fast. this book gives you a lot of info. and it is very concise. It is also well indexed, so you can find what you want to know quickly. I think you can find both books on Amazon. If you decide to do more breeding, you may want to look into genetic testing, to help ensure the pups won't have any health problems as they get older. If you have any questions, but are shy about posting anymore, please feel free to email me. I'm not an expert, but I'll do the best I can. I hope you have a happy, healthy litter.
laurashenk, no one that has posted on this thread said that only showdogs should be bred...where are you seeing that? Only one person mentioned champion lineage, and it was not used in the context you understood.
Yes, background does matter. GSD's are plaqued with issues, especially hip dysplasia. Are the parents OFA'd for HD? Are the grandparents? How about OFA for elbows? Heart cerf?
Breeding potentially dysplasic puppies would be irresponsible (not certain if this was a intended breeding or accident, so not referring directly to the OP)
Point being, there is no need for breeding mediocre pet dogs when you can find millions of those at shelters across the country....but, what is not seen enough these days are reputable breeders testing for potential health issues and giving their buyers a guarantee that they will have a healthy happy puppy that will not become crippled by HD or some other defect.
OP....base your decision of price on what you plan to put into these pups. Will they be vet checked, wormed, shots? Will you give health guarantees to the new homes? Will you take some financial responsibility if one of the pups turn up with hip dysplasia? I believe the more of a guarantee and confidence you give the homes that they are getting a healthy pup and you will stand behind that, they are more willing to pay a better price.
If you do not have OFA's on the parents, do not plan to have them vet checked,s hots, wormed, etc...people will feel less secure in the health of the puppy.
Your area, quality of the parents, titles, etc will also play a role in pricing.
For me GSD are one of the few breeds I would never buy from show stock, North American anyways, they are a horrible wobbly mess. I would only buy one from minimum 4 year health tested stock, for everything under the sun they can be afflicted with, that can be tested for, and would like to have those dogs with working titles of some sort.
So to answer your question i would need to know what health testing has been done on the dogs, and their sires/dames. If the answer is none, I would not pay anything.
I have to agree 100% with LPN and Ruffian. Sadly, GSD's have widespread genetic and temperment problems because of being overbred. They have a LONG LIST of health concerns....hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, spinal degeneration, autoimmune disease, thyroid disfunction, gastrointestinal problems. And if that's not enough, poor temperment in a GSD is actually quite common.
And having a champion 3 generations back means nothing. I commend you for trying to do the right thing and find good homes for the pups. Now lets hope you continue to do the right thing and have your dogs spayed/neutered.
Also wanted to add...I'm not crazy about the Monks of New Skete, who tend to favor negative reinforcement. In fact, Job Michael Evans is the one who introduced the "alpha roll" and made it so popular. He has since said that he regrets doing that.
I much prefer positive reinforcement. The best book I have ever read on training a pup (or any dog) is My Smart Puppy, by Brian Kilcommons and Sarah Wilson. They have quite a few books out which are all excellent.
I also recommend anything by Patricia McConnell and Pat Miller.
For those who sort of missed it, her dog is not the one who is expecting. Her dog is the (accidental) sire. She did not state how old he might be, nor her reasoning for keeping him intact. I think the thing that was uppermost on her mind was to find how to go about taking care of the litter that is due so shortly.
The only serious suggestions I can offer that may be helpful is to make sure you get to know the prospective owners, get references (especially vet), create a clear contract that details the expectations and responsibilities for both parties, including the return to you of any pup, for any reason, at any time.
I think the above steps will help go towards insuring good homes. I do agree that many folks tend to place the "value" of something equal to the dollar amount spent. Sad, but true.
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
Sorry-I DID miss the part that her dog is the sire and she doesn't own both dogs. But, that just reinforces why pets should be spayed/neutered. If EITHER one of these dogs had been spayed/neutered, there wouldn't be a litter of pups to worry about.
The simple answer to your question is to add up what you've spent on breeding this litter and divide by the number of puppies. Since you didn't invest in health testing, showing, stud fees, etc this shouldn't be much. I agree with those who said they wouldn't pay a dime for a GSD w/ no health testing behing them whatsoever, but there are plenty of people who would. I suggest you put any money you make off the puppies away. With no health testing, you're likely to have some unhappy puppy buyers demanding their money back.
I find the statements about pricing a bit offensive. I have a Maltese that was adopted for $50, which included neutering and shots (a bargain). I also have a Rottweiler that I payed several hundred dollars for from a BYB and then invested the same amount of money for parvo treatment. I don't treat my $50 dog poorly because he was "cheap" and I would never consider getting rid of either of my dogs. I wonder how many dogs sitting at shelter where sold/given away as puppies as opposed to adopted from a rescue or shelter and returned. I assuming those number would blow your pricing idea out of the water. If you want to find your puppies good homes, then interview people! Ask them for references, do a home check, make them sign a contract that the dog will be spayed/neutered and will be returned to you if they can no longer keep it. Don't take the lazy way out and assume that if they pay $500 they will take care of the dog. I find it suspect that instead of asking about finding good homes, whelping or health testing, the first thing you think to ask about is price.
WOW. Didn't expect so many answers, and after the first reply wasn't sure I should come back. But, thank you all for being so nice and providing whatever information you could. I assure you, I will take it all to heed.
So- let me clear up a few things for all of you at once, since I can't answer each one......
Let's start with the fact that I am a HE and not a SHE (LOL)(:->)
My dog is the female. My daughter's is the male. The mating took place kind of unexpectedly. We let the dogs play together from the time the male was 3 months old. He is now a year old and we left them together a little too long, I guess, and didn't realize she was in heat at the time. Before we knew it they were locked. So no- I'm really not a breeder per se. It just happened. I guess we should have watched a little closer. Guilty as charged. But be that as it may, it happened and I want to do right by the puppies. I do also plan to keep one of them ao I can be sure it has a good home. The least I can do by her.
Female is 7. Male is one year. Both animals are well cared for and see the vet regularly.
I apologize for offending anyone over the comment that I think people tend to take better care when they pay good money. That's just been in my experience, as well as that of others. I didn't mean to imply EVERYONE was that way. There are exceptions to every rule. I've rescued dogs from the local pound and took care of them much better than a lot of people I know, also. Never owned a female though.
For everyone's peace of mind- yes, I did all the reading I could on the whelping and care of the animals as soon as I found out she was pregnant. Even read up on how and when to feed the puppies if they can't suckle. And- I built my own customized whelping box from plans I found on the Internet (but made some changes to make it better)- complete with heater.
Once again- thank you for being so kind and concerned, and for changing my mind from my initial impression about this forum.