Can someone clue me in on how to find handling classes? Planning on purchasing a show lhasa and looking into getting my duckies lined up. Also co owning.....what's good? What's bad? I've noticed most (show) dogs are co owned and from speaking to breeders see that most will only agree to co owning with someone new to showing. Anything to watch out for?
Best thing to do is go to the AKC site to find a breeder, then look at the National breed club under your breed, and call the contact/contacts there for info on handling. You may even be able to find a mentor.
***Edited By: Hailey on 3/16/2009 7:07:11 PM*** Reason: spelling
Thanks Hailey. I have a couple breeders in mind that are willing to mentor but I am trying to find handling classes closer to me. --One has a litter on the floor right now but it's not looking good for one of that litter, the other may be breeding this summer and the first plans to breed her other female this spring. So a few litters planned, just waiting for the right pup to come along and trying to get myself "ready" Thanks for the help.
Go to the AKC website and find a kennel club close to you, most are all breed clubs, call them as most clubs do have handling classes.
Depending how young you are you may want to go to some local shows and mingle with the handlers that handle the breed you like and some of them take on help that they will train, especially if you are a junior handler.
As far as co-owning goes: Some breeders will take a dog they want to keep to show but do not have room in their home for (multiple males, etc.) and co-own them with someone. The dog gets to live with you, however, the breeder usually puts in a co-own contract that they have complete say where and when the dog shows, depending on the room they have in their pen at any given show. Some of the breeders will pay all showing expenses, others you pay the entries and they throw in the handling expense. Different handler/breeders will do things slightly different. The breeder usually reserves the right to have total say on where and when to breed the dog and also picks out the mate for the breeding, you share the expense and you get a portion of the stud fee and or the breeder/handler gets a portion of the sale of the pups..
As I said each breeder will have slightly different things in their contracts for co-ownership.
If you live in a rural area like I do, handling classes are almost non-existant but I do have a recomendation that got one going in my area in the past few months.
Go to your local pet supply store and ask them if they know anybody who shows dogs in the area. Most breeders who show their dogs will be delighted to get something going especially if you can get a small group of people together. I have found my local pet supply store to be handy in finding other dog show people in my area. Your vets office may also know. Our "in the know" spot is the pet supply store because there is only 1 in town so the show people tend to congregate there and gib gab about their latest adventrues to the staff. We have 3 vet clinics so our numbers arent as concentrated at any particular one.
This is what someone in my area actually did and I was one of the people who responded but I took it one step furthure and helped recruit more participants who are excited about the idea. THe more people you can get involved the better. Maybe some day we will have an actual kennel club.
Once you get 1 or 2 people together and get a meeting spot and time picked out, make some flyers to post anywhere dog people my pass by such as feed stores, vet clinics, pet supply stores. If it is a general public place such as a park put that on the flyer with the meeting time and invite people to show up but of course also put your phone number incase someone wants to ask questions.
Of course if it is your garage then you may not want to put your address out for public to see but you get my point.
Thanks for the tip. --ALL the tips. I am an adult and already been to a couple shows and talked to people but of course I managed to find the people that were from the opposite side of the country! LOL! Nice ladies though and I didnt meet one that wasnt more than willing to let me pick their brain and answer my questions. :) When co owning was first brought up to me I was pretty nervous and thought NO but then looking at show results you see most of the dogs are co owned. The people I am talking with are mainly concerned with the "co breeding" aspect as they want control over their lines until they are sure I know what I am doing and will protect them. I was pretty surprised that even co owning a dog you pay the same amount for the dog as if you bought it outright. !!!
Thanks again for all the help. I have gotten the rules from the AKC already now I need to scramble around their web site a bit more and see if I can find something fairly local--or see if I can find someone to start it!
I have the same problem with my Mini Aussies. No one near me, and no handling classes at all. Luckily since they are a rare breed, the shows are very small, and the judges are amazing. I would suggest going to a couple of rare breed shows (rarities acceptes AKC breeds) and show. You have a chance to title, and can learn alot frome people willing to help you understand it. They are not as competive as AKC and UKC shows, everyone is extremly friendly, you can talk to the judges and ask questions.
The first time I went 3yrs ago, I looked right at the judge, and said, "I have no clue what I am doing". She took me through everything step by step. Never once looked upset or anything. Other People have helped me when I have more then one dog. Everyone is just a blast to be around.
As far as co-owning, I try to stay away from the forever ones, and those who always want money from a litter or a puppy.
I guess you could always pay someone else to show a dog for you or like the others said find classes or people in your area. IMO paying someone else is big time with more research to find a handler and the path to finish seems longer plus expensive. The handling classes that I know of seem too borderline obedience training with no one-on-one or specifics to a certain breed. The instructor was supposedly an all breed judge and I think a little bias- waste of money & very questionably legit. How I setup a bulldog is probably different than how I setup a Golden Retriever. Yeah, we quit that after the first day... no refunds pffffffft.
I took the route by finding my breed club to pick a "how to handle" mentor, went to shows, and returned only with short and sweet pointers and criticisms; All had pretty good ideas but I just didn't feel comfortable with their teachings, knowledge, and breedings. They also all seem to have different "shortcuts" and cover-ups to make the bully look good and yet still finished many bullys so what do I know. I guess it was like kung fu, this grasshoppah didn't want to learn a karate kick, I wanted to know the touch of death so I ended up finding my mentor by purchasing a puppy from her. A BCA (Bulldog Club of America) hall of famer, I hassled her with numerous questions, how to's. She is awesome and explains everything bluntly. She also sends pics a lot or we meet but she's like 5 hours away. Love her to death even though she always tells me what should be worn. I guess I got lucky. But finding someone to help is a relationship you're going to want to invest some time into. I hate to hear about my mentor's encounters of helping people only to never hear from them again after devoting so much time. Some breeders don't show but produce the most awe inspriring dogs, some do both, some only show. So whenever someone asks how do I find handling classes because I'm starting out blind, I suggest finding someone that does both and buy a puppy from them. Ask them beforehand if a new grasshoppah is what they are willing to take on.
Co-ownership is wierd and there are many reasons to do it. Once again, IMO I think its kinda like welcome to the big show and is done when you've got 5+ showing dogs and the other owner has 5+ showing dogs. I would say it's more of an ego thing too, like saying I've made 20 champions even though someone else did all the work. If your starting out, I would stay away from co-ownership. It can be a hassle if there is a limited registration, so that is something you need to question if co-ownership is something your leaning towards. I'm not sure if co-ownership helps title both owners or helps a bitch or dog enter the hall of fame perhaps even breeder hall of fame. But I've seen co-ownership used as protection, like, you can't sell these puppies without me kind of thing or this is my dog too and if you do something I don't like I going to take this dog back. It can get real shady you know.
I have a co-ownership with my mentor for another bitch with the rule that once she's in her third heat cycle will be bred by a dog agreed by both of us and the pick of the litter will go to her at which point the co-ownership will be signed off. If my girl isn't good for breeding then we spay her and put on a limited registration. It's hard to tell if a 9 week old puppy will have CH title prospect. Not many people will buy a 6 month old puppy thus the co-ownership status is the option for those that do.
Have you only looked into AKC shows? What about UKC? Cool beans to yah preference; Good luck and I'm sure you'll find a way to do what's right for you, just don't give up. You're going to have a lot of fun when you and fido step past that white latticed ring.