I wasn't commenting on his belief systems...I was commenting on the fact that the auto companies already received a bailout and blew it...obviously, something needs to be done to fix the problems of the auto company...The top CEO's of most major corporations need to have the crap scared out of them...They continue to make 6 figures (and then some)while the people making the vehicles are getting laid off, and the average American worker can't afford to buy one of there junk cars....I agree he needs to shake things up at the top..
Doxielover-- that sounds like a terrible experience and I am sorry for your loss, but those partial birth abortions are normally done in efforts to save a mothers life. I don't know about your situation, but many women would not be alive to disagree with the President if the did not receive that unfortunate procedure.
As far as firing the CEO, I think a heck of a lot more should have been fired on wallstreet instead of getting multi-million dollar bonuses they clearly did not deserve.
Fire away, off with their heads!
Funny how people are complaining about Obama doing something "unconstitutional", I would say that he can, because the precedence of ignoring the Constitution was started by G.W. Bush.
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What I mean is he is in favor of all abortions including killing a healthy baby when it is born alive-COMPLETELY out of mom before it is killed. BTW, do you know what partial birth abortions are? Basically the same except they turn the baby so the only thing that doesn't come out is the head. The baby's entire body is out and it would only take one more good push to be fully born. Then they suck the brains out!baby's head is the only thing that's not out. That wouldn't be done to save mom's life. Could you imagine the pain those babies go through? I supported bush on his law outlawing that. That was the only thing just about.
I could sure tell you about my experience if anyone would want to hear. Just ask. As a tiny bit of info.....Chinese doctor, trained in china, girl baby, lies, wrong drugs, lied about medications given, wrong tests done, forced labor by inexperienced person............
And yes,most car companies suck. I feel he is using the fact that he gave them the bailout money as a way of saying "so ok, I helped you, now I get to fire your ceo and take over myself"
I can't imagine why anyone would willingly carry a baby to term, that they didn't have to-- because thankfully abortion IS LEGAL had they made that choice... only to say at the very last second...
"What the heck, let's kill this baby" for no good reason.
I just don't buy it. I don't know why any obstetrician would willingly want to kill a full term baby unless it was absolutely necessary. They are not "abortionists" working at a Planned Parenthood clinic....these are baby doctors in the business of getting babies out safely.
I cherish my children more than anything, yet I know if it was a choice between my unborn child and myself... even if I couldn't make that tough choice, my husband would choose my life in a heartbeat.
I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. I think that there has always been a lot of "HYPE" over a tragic situation that is always a personal and moral dilemma. Picking mom or baby is never going to have a good outcome no matter what.
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Too many CEO's took advantage of the bailout money, pocketed nice bonuses and yet still the company is failing. It is time they answer for their choices. The common man suffers and loses homes, etc due to layoffs, while the CEO's continue to live the same and give themselves a bonus? In some cases he was right to step in.
As far as the abortion issue, that is one I choose not get involved in, I have disagreeing views on some of the 'facts' presented thus far, but choose to not debate such a personal issue here.
It's never NECESSARY to kill a baby that's already being born, and is all the way or most of the way out.
Keep in mind, the following is what Obama wants to legalize(not the meds or any thing-but you'll understand I hope.My lawyer at the time said I have a case, but he's dead now)
My story however I have no problem telling.
First, when I was 5 months along, water broke, but the baby wasn't born. it was a girl, I already knew. My doctor sent me to Omaha. They were going to admit me. I didn't know anything about it,said absolutely not and went home, with the understanding I would go back to be admitted 6 weeks later. They understood they were to do a c-section if anything happened to my baby. I was on bed rest and when I went back, they kept me waiting over an hour while they talked about nothing to each other. They didn't have anything ready like they were supposed to. didn't even know I was coming back!!
They had a doctor do a test on me that was supposed to be done on someone else. And when I wouldn't let a nurse put an IV in my right arm because that's the one I use to do everything with, she threw the needle across the room saying"I can't f-ing do this! I have to get someone else" they did an ultrasound.actually a student did-I didn't ok it.didn't want a student touching me. she pushed so hard she forced what little water was in there out and that put me in labor by the next morning(she was inexperienced and trying to get a good pic, which you can't if there's no water)
That really started my problem.They kept coming in my room,saying yes it's contractions, and not doing anything about it. They were supposed to try and stop them, and the told me they gave me a steroid shot to help her lungs(Lie--when I requested an itemized bill, what it had been was only pain med)I was in labor from 6:30-2:30, begged 3 times for them to do a c-section and was ignored. They were watching her heartbeat bounce around and not trying to help.
Here's the worst part.the doctor, who was chinese called my mother 20 min beforemy baby was born to tell her the baby was dead. The baby was not even born yet! They cancelled the c-cection after they's finally got me prepped-they'd had to do more bloodwork because they had cut off all my id bands couldn't do the surgery without them. The bloodwork had to be taken again for some reason. Then the doctor just stood there, telling me to shut up as he watched my baby's heartbeat go down to 50 and spike up again to 150. I was crying and he was getting mad at ME!
Then my baby was born(he'd told us she wouldn't be born alive without a c-section) When she was born they raced her out of the room shoving my husband out of the way so he couldn't see her.They said she was dead.............I've had a baby born dead before so I know how it feels..........and she wasn't dead......I could feel her little legs kicking the inside of my legs......Then when I saw her I had all the proof I needed. A good lawyer who was an ex doctor saw her and said she would not have had the bruising on her body,or changed colors like she had if she had been born dead. (the lawyer later died so I have to find a new one)He had won several malpractice/murder cases against this particular hospital. My biggest piece of proof I will not divulge publicly as this could clinch my victory. I will have to exhume her.....I hope I am strong enough to handle it.
He called me the day we buried her, and had the nerve to say "If you're not grateful for everything I've done for you." I got mad.
Here's the other things they did: I am allergic to codeine. They had given it to me and wouldn't tell me what it was. They didn't give me meds they said they would.Instead just gave me a pain med. they gave me food I'm allergic to every day, they putlies in their med records such as telling me they were going to cancel c-section and there's more but I don't feel stong enough to give all the details.........I'm bawling like a baby right now.........
By the way,she was already at 8 months when all this happened.........
***Edited By: doxielover1 on 4/2/2009 10:06:19 AM*** Reason: .
Oh Doxie, I am so sorry you had to go through that nightmare. God bless you. It sounds as though you were in the hands of incompetent butchers. I hope you win your case.
I have not owned a GM product for probably 20 years, when our van was ready for it's 3rd transmission, the paint was peeling off and the company would not back their product. I say let them sink over their heads in quick sand. I now drive a Toyota, which is five years old and runs perfectly, all the paint intact! American car companies cannot compete until they build trustworthy products that last and are affordable.
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It's.........TOO hard....Went to counseling because of it,kept a daily record of my feelings......it didn't help that the couselor wanted to treat me, and now obama wants to legalize this kind of butcher!
I don'tremember ever having a gm car. We currently have a pos ford. and I hate the car!
We have a 1 tonne GM truck, and it is an awesome truck, I grew up with everything we owned being GM or Chevy, as did my DH, and neither of our parents have had issues with them. Hell he still have a 1984 Blazer, diesel, and the only issues it had were those that a diesel engine with 750,000kms on it would have had, it was rebuilt and runs great again now.
We have also have several different Ford models, trucks and cars, and had no issues with them either, same goes for our Dodge's, but I guess we are just "lucky".
I would never own anything GM anyway. Thank god someone finally stepped in.
The difference with GM vs ford is the amount of money they were in debt. Ford is still viable-we will see if GM turns out to be.
We have always had fords-change the oil and do your tune ups and your good. And we beat the hell out of our vehicles mudding out in the field and hauling stuff.
Had to go help a friend whos new chevy had its breaks go out yesterday. I don't know many that have not had horrible issues,a lot electrical.
And good lord on the abortion people! How did you get that out of car companys doing bad?!
If you want a baby have it!
Do you know how often partial birth abortions are performed?!
The realistic number is like 0.02 % of all abortions. And its not done just for fun! Anyone who believes that has listened to to much anti abortion junk.
And yes I know all about it because my crazy uncle led our countys right to life for years and they lie through their teeth!
Doxielover-what you say happened to you is not an abortion. Its some horribly screwed up medical care! I have no idea what was going on where you were but how are you comparing this to an abortion? That was not your choice-you did nothing wrong. You relied on someone with a license and who should have been taking better care of you.
You have to remember as much as you wanted that baby others may not want it or may be facing some serious health issues. Who is ANYONE to judge them?
One of my friends friends was pregnant for her first time,really excited. Had horrible pain a couple months into it and it turns out it was an ectopic pregnancy. She had to have an abortion. Her church and most of the people she thought would be there for her through any problem abandoned her. She did what she had to do and now shes a bad person. Thank god her next pregnancy went great and she has a healthy baby but the pain she went through was so much worse because of what her friends put her through.
I am not going to say anymore on the subject because I could rant all night about it.
Doxielover I hope you figure something out in court but get yourself help. If one counselor isn't helping that much try another. Sometimes it just takes a different approach. You wanted that baby-you are going to feel pain-but find a healthy way to approach it.
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yes,it was, as it is called, a forced abortion.Better terms,murder. And I AM finding a healthy way to deal with it. MAke damn sure it doesn't happen to someone else. This very well could become legal if Obama has his way. That's how this came to be in this thread. It's yet another WRONG thing he wants to legalize. And for your info I have no problem whatsoever with an abortion because it was ectopic.
I really think its luck of the draw my friend has an 09 ford escape and it has been in the shop 2 times this week alone for some seal. After looking she found out that it is a very common problem with them, some were recalled a few years ago because of it but the problem was never really fixed, and the service department doesnt really even know how to fix it.
Personally I will not own a Toyota while I live here, the dealership is absolutely the worst in town, that only leaves me with Chev, Ford or Dodge, because there is no way I am owning something I have to drive 5 hours just to get it in for service. I really dont have a problem with any of them because we have owned all of them, worked all of them very hard and have never had any real problems. Our last Ford truck was a ranger with over 500,000km on it when we sold it and it is still running around town. We had a Chevy S-10 that was much the same still running around town. Our Dodges we put well over 100,000km a year on as well, all of them were used for work trucks, running on ice roads, out to towns and reserves that are many hours of dirt roads. Never really any problems.
As for abortions, I live in Canada where we have no limit to when one can be done, BUT you will be hard pressed to find a doctor do one much past 12-15 weeks.
Well,our ford didn't screw up till my husband's ex-friend put the car's battery in backwards. lol, but every ford we've ever had has screwed up eventually. I think you're right,it's the luck of the draw. Still sucks though.
From what I've heard, it's called a live birth abortion. The question doesn't even come into play if there is not an abortion in progress. If the mother has not chosen to have an abortion, the medical staff is not going to murder the infant no matter what unless they're psychotic.
I've not come across anything reputable that says that Obama is pro murder-the-baby even if it's wanted.
I'm sorry for your lost babies, Doxie, but I don't see how they relate to live birth abortion. You WANTED those children! I don't believe Obama is for aborting babies willy-nilly. I believe he's for trying to cut through the gray area when an unwanted fetus, in the process of being aborted, lives through the process. He wants to make some rules for medical people to follow.