This is what AKC says about color: Color The recognized colors are salt and pepper, black and silver and solid black. All colors have uniform skin pigmentation, i.e. no white or pink skin patches shall appear anywhere on the dog. Salt and Pepper - The typical salt and pepper color of the topcoat results from the combination of black and white banded hairs and solid black and white unbanded hairs, with the banded hairs predominating. Acceptable are all shades of salt and pepper, from light to dark mixtures with tan shadings permissible in the banded or unbanded hair of the topcoat. In salt and pepper dogs, the salt and pepper mixture fades out to light gray or silver white in the eyebrows, whiskers, cheeks, under throat, inside ears, across chest, under tail, leg furnishings, and inside hind legs. It may or may not also fade out on the underbody. However, if so, the lighter underbody hair is not to rise higher on the sides of the body than the front elbows. Black and Silver - The black and silver generally follows the same pattern as the salt and pepper. The entire salt and pepper section must be black. The black color in the topcoat of the black and silver is a true rich color with black undercoat. The stripped portion is free from any fading or brown tinge and the underbody should be dark. Black - Black is the only solid color allowed. Ideally, the black color in the topcoat is a true rich glossy solid color with the undercoat being less intense, a soft matting shade of black. This is natural and should not be penalized in any way. The stripped portion is free from any fading or brown tinge. The scissored and clippered areas have lighter shades of black. A small white spot on the chest is permitted, as is an occasional single white hair elsewhere on the body. Disqualifications - Color solid white or white striping, patching, or spotting on the colored areas of the dog, except for the small white spot permitted on the chest of the black. The body coat color in salt and pepper and black and silver dogs fades out to light gray or silver white under the throat and across the chest. Between them there exists a natural body coat color. Any irregular or connecting blaze or white mark in this section is considered a white patch on the body, which is also a disqualification.
What I am trying to figure out is, ok, they bred the standard schnauzer with smaller dogs (ie..poodle, affenpincher, etc) to get a mini schnauzer. Those colors (s/p, b/s, and black) are the breed standard. White and partis are not...a white schnauzer has (most likely) Westie somewhere within the bloodlines. So how do you get a parti? What have they bred them too to get a spotted pup? http://www.puppyfind.com/?act=search&forsale=1&subject=Miniature+Schnauzer This website has parti schnauzers on it. Partis are not ideal for showing, but it's obvious there is a market for them, I just want to know what they have in there bloodlines.
Why would someone sell dogs that are not up to standard at such high prices. Cal2Liz, I'm sure your pup is a great pet, but I think that you should only pay higher prices for show quality dogs. I'm not saying that parti schnauzers are ugly, they are neat looking, but they should be sold at prices that any other pet quality pup is. It would make me mad if I got ripped off, but I probably wouldn't regret getting the dog. I just hate scammers. I don't have the guts to buy a dog just seeing pictures. I want to see the real dog. Some people do it, but I will never. No matter how good they say the it is or what a rare color I won't do It.
I didn't pay that much for her. I just saw them on that site and didn't relize what people will pay for a dog. I do know that when you buy a dog at a higher prices like that they usually offer a 1-2 genetic guarantee, and to some people that may be worth it plus you get a cute different looking guy that is just a regular breed. I do have to say though I wouldn't necessarily say they were scammers. some people just might want something different, I mean obviously there is a market for them, by the way, mine is only 1/2 parti. She is registered s/p because she is not marked up like a parti, her daddy was a parti and mother black. My question is still not answered...Where does it come from. If that is the case....about parti dogs coming from scammers white ones are from scammers too. Some of these people may just have a love for this type of schnauzer!
" mean obviously there is a market for them, " There was a market for pet rocks once too. Some people will buy anything. I think the reason you are not getting an answer is because no one here (so far) knows. I'd never even heard of this till you brought it up. Perhaps it is like a silver or red Boston..there is a 'market' for these dogs too. But the only people breeding them are BYBs and puppymills. Reputable breeders (that I know) wouldn't purposely try to breed a disqualified color into their stock. I always try to warn people who want these colors that they may likely end up with a sickly dog. While I have seen a few Bostons which meet the standard in all aspects. except color. Most of the ones are clearly poorly bred. People also try to purposely breed white boxers and there are people who want them..no one seems to care that many white boxers are deaf. Having said all that, I have no idea if that is the case with schnauzers.
Cal2Liz. Maybe you could email some of the people that breed them to get your answer....I know they are getting to be popular just because they are different..I had a salt and pepper who's mother was pure silver. She was beautiful. I really don't know the answer to your question. It is a interesting question. I'll keep checking to find an answer for you.
Well, just because it is "breed standard" doesn't mean it's any better than one that is not! My mother has one that she bought from someone who shows. He has had more problems with his health than any dog I have ever seen. ...about white boxers.....From what I understand that is a recessive gene, and yes most of them are deaf....but if you mix a nice westie with a nice schnauzer why would you get a nice mixed dog? I don't believe that all of them are bred poorly, yes there are some...but that is with any breed any standard. I think what makes so called reputable breeders (WHICH FOLLOW BREED STANDARD ONLY) are only aggrivated because it takes business away from them. I think a reputable breeder can breed a parti schnauzer, poodle or whatever and do it carefully. If they see it is not working simply don't breed them any more...That is after all how we come up with new breeds isn't it?
Well, I don't have time to get into another 'ethical' breeding debate..there are just too many grey areas. But yes, the white Boxer is a recessive gene that some 'breeders' try to bring out on purpose to make a 'special' white one. Like they will try to breed white ones to get more white ones (passing on the possibility of deafness) This is often the case with fancy colored bostons. I didn't know if with these schnauzers you speak of were created this same way. I was thinking maybe white and black schanuzers. I see what you are saying now, that these partis are created by mixing another breed and not by trying to bring out recessive genes, and yes, this is an entirely different thing than what I was referring to. PS- My dog is not perfect 'standard' and she is wonderful, I agree with you on that..but as I said, that is a discussion for another day. I think your guess that they are using westies is a fair one.
Actually, I found this site..not only do I have no clue where they would get the chocolate color from..I don't even want to know how they got them to come out so small...very very cute, but, ummm, yeah, I dunno, I better keep my mouth shut on this one... http://www.marandafarms.homestead.com/Chocparti.html
Now when it comes to the tiny toy size schnauzers I have to agree, I believe they (some breeders) are breeding them like the white boxers, and I personally will stay away from them even though they are cute I think they must be trouble.
I met one the other day at the vet. I live in Houston and I'm wondering if she came from this 'farm' (that I posted above). I have to say, she was as cute as can be and had the best personality, but I'm a bit wary about the breeding practices that could be involved there, though I don't know much about schnauzer breeding practices.