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Still not eating properly
does not eat well, still..
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pcarollo
Posted: 3:09:58 PM 7/13/2009
So my 2 yo Saint Chunky, now on Predisone since Thurs evening, really is not worse, not much better either. Picks out the human food from her kibble...I tried cottage cheese, doesn't like it. I did give her some cooked ground turkey and she liked that Saturday, won't eat it today. The vet said we may never know what's wrong with her, to bring her in to weigh her. She is active, not like she used to be though. Her belly was huge Saturday afternoon, then Sunday back down to normal (sort of). she is thin and needs to gain probably 30 pounds..I'll get her to the vet for her weight and go from there...
oxfordbostons
Posted: 4:16:09 PM 7/13/2009
Hmmm...I'm thinking at this point you may have to go full raw diet. There's no harm in that and I know a few breeders who do use full raw.

Always make sure the meat is fresh. If you have a local butcher, you can check with him or her on scraps of meat, too.

If memory serves me correct, you only have the 1 dog, right?

You will only need 2 meals per day if you go full raw. Breakfast and mid-evening.

Chicken leg quarters are by far the least expensive method for raw feeding.

Start with pulling the meat from a leg quarter. Put that in a bowl with a scrambled egg and some cooked brown rice and feed this cocktail for breakfast/mid-morning meal. Then, mid-eveing, meat from the leg quarter. You can also use organ meat in the evening meal. Chicken liver and beef liver are great to use. I perfer the beef liver with evening meals.

You can also give peanut butter cookies. Here is the recipe that I use:

1/2 stick butter, 1/2 c peanut butter, 2 eggs, 2 tbsp. sugar, and 2-3 handfulls of flour

Melt the butter in a pan and add the eggs. Pour that mixture in a bowl and add the peanut butter, sugar and flour. Bake 15 min then put on a cooling rack. (I place mine on a sheet pan for baking so that I can make them kind of thin.) Cut or break them into squares and store the rest in a ziploc bag.

I give these cookies in between meals, for treats or as a "dessert" after dinner. However, I have found that they tend to add a few pounds so give with care.

I hope some of this helps a little.

Best of luck!
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pcarollo
Posted: 5:23:44 PM 7/13/2009
Thanks for the info. I'll be back at the grocery store tonight. Also, to clarify, I have 4 Saints and 1 Shih Tzu, I have her grandma, mother, and father at my house. We breed once a year and I fell in love with her. Her face is half white, she doesn't have the full mask. What is the big advantage to serving the food raw vs. cooked? Is it the nutrients? My vet has made me pretty nervous about feeding raw...thanks for your info. It is helpful.
riley1
Posted: 5:55:04 PM 7/13/2009
There is actually a lot more benefits feeding raw than kibble. As mentioned above, you can add cooked brown rice to it. You can also add veggies too. Like baby carrots, or peas, you can also add some cooked sweet potato as well.

I know feeding raw meat feels taboo to us humans, for for dogs it is completley safe and natural for them if fed properly. Dogs have special enzymes in their stomachs to properly digest raw meats. There is many benefits as well, less stool, and actually helps clean tarter off of teeth giving a cleaner mouth with better breath. And dogs actually have been proven to have a better temperment as well.

Good luck, and I hope this diet will help her get her appetite back!
Animals, what animals? My children just have alot of hair!
oxfordbostons
Posted: 9:09:52 PM 7/13/2009
Yeah, my vet makes faces at me, too. But, he knows what I feed and he noticed a tremendous difference in my dogs.

Coats are shinier and healthier...NO shedding, strong teeth, and less poop that just dissolves into the ground within about 24 hours.

Riley speaks the truth...dogs do have enzymes and they can digest the food. Just always make sure that you use fresh meat that is kept at the proper temperature.

Also, keep in mind. Once you start her on a raw diet, it will be very difficult to put her back on kibble. Eventually you may want to put all of them on the raw.

Sorry for the rambles and hope you were able to get some good info from everything.

Best of luck!
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pcarollo
Posted: 10:01:39 PM 7/13/2009
Ok, I've been to the store, here goes nothing!!
No really thanks for your help, I'll keep you posted.
pcarollo
Posted: 10:28:44 PM 7/13/2009
I pulled the meat off 2 leg quarters and she ate it up. I'm boiling rice for tomorrow morning's meal. What about zuccini and carrots? Can I give her those raw as well? Do I just puree them in the blender? This is actually pretty neat knowing exactly what your dog is getting, how do I know how much to feed her? Tonight she looked like she could have eaten more. What about flax seed? Should I add that to her diet?
riley1
Posted: 11:11:53 PM 7/13/2009
Yes, you can just blend the carrots and zucchini to make it easier for her digest, and you can also add flaxseed, but just a little bit.
Animals, what animals? My children just have alot of hair!
oxfordbostons
Posted: 11:16:30 PM 7/13/2009
Glad she's eating. Yes, but I tell you what I do with my fruits and veggies (I bet I should have told you this BEFORE you went to the grocery store...)

I use broccoli and carrots and I puree them in the blender and add them to breakfast every other day. I also use flaxseed and fish oil as well. They come in huge capsules and you just use some scissors and snip the pills and squeeze them over the evening cocktail. Yes, you know EXACTLY what your dog is being fed.

After researching here is a sample menu I have put together for your dog based on weight:

breakfast/mid-morning: meat from 2 complete leg quarters and 1 scrambled egg

mid-afternoon/evening: meat from 2 compelte leg quarters with either 2 chicken livers OR 1 slice beef liver

every other day combine 1/4c broccoli and 1/4c carrots to breakfast; other days add 1/2c cooked brown rice

You can also cut apples and feed them as treats. The peanut butter treats are great too! If you want to alternate with kibble, you can pour chicken broth over it and see if she will eat it.

I know this all seems like a ton of work but I have 8 dogs and once you get the hang of it...not so bad.

I cook my rice up for about 2 days and pull chicken for about 2 days or so. Put it in ziplocs and then in the fridge. It's ready when I need it. All I really have to do is add the eggs and veggies and flax/fish oil.

Best of luck!
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pcarollo
Posted: 7:49:26 AM 7/14/2009
She vomited last night, about 3 hours after I fed her. She has not vomited the whole time she's been sick...Maybe it was too much, man this really sucks. This morning she didn't eat that much.kind of ate the raw chicken but then when i mixed it with scrambled egg and brown rice she turned her nose up to it.I need to find out what she weighs..pretty frustrated right about now. She doesn't like plain yogurt either..got to get ready for work and feed my other dogs.
thanks, I'll keep you posted, I'm going to weigh her tonight.
oxfordbostons
Posted: 9:54:59 AM 7/14/2009
Well my goodness. Bless her heart. You may just have to give her the raw meat and forget the rest. My bully is on meat only and he does fine with it. Yeah, usually if they vomit, they either eat too much or eat it too fast.

Please do keep us posted.
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pcarollo
Posted: 10:29:02 PM 7/14/2009
She wont eat today, not much at all, not peanut butter sandwiches, not chicken, cooked or raw, not cheez its, not bread, nothing....I'll try again tomorrow and hope for the best. She didn't want to go outside this evening either, just laying in the house. She is drinking, she came in the kitchen like she wanted to eat but wouldn't touch anything. Maybe her tummy is just upset from last night..maybe she'll begin to eat again tomorrow...
agentcooper
Posted: 10:40:02 AM 7/15/2009
What is the longest amount of time the dog has gone without eating? Unless the vet can find a medical reason, I'd bet the dog senses a great deal of anxiety regarding feeding. I would suggest placing the food (just ONE type) in the SAME place at the SAME times and then stepping away completely. If you are very stressed out about the dog eating (and of course you must be by now!) your dog may be picking up on that and feeling that food is negative/scary/stressful etc.

Keep a consistent pattern for a few days and take yourself away from the situation- see what happens! If she does not eat, pick the bowl up and put back down again at the next feeding time. She can go a couple of days without food before it becomes a health concern (although obviously the goal is to get her to eat EVERY feeding!)I hope you can find a way to help her! I know you must be at your wits end by now! Just remember that she can feel that you are stressed out about her eating and that might be excacerbating things!!

Good luck!!
Indifference turns clarity into denial. ~Quan Tracy Cherry
Bulldoggy2
Posted: 3:39:35 PM 7/15/2009
I just went thru a similar situation with my bulldog.He became less active, stopped eating and showed signs of off and on pain. He had blown a disc and had a bladder infection. The antibiotic(Baytril) made him depresssed and anorexic. I know it sounds silly, but that is some of the side effects from the Baytril. good luck with your girl. I know how frustrated not being able to figure out the problem is. You feel like you are on a roller coaster, up when they eat and then down when they don't.
pcarollo
Posted: 11:32:55 AM 7/20/2009
Chunky 4/25/07-7/16/09.

She would not eat for 3 days, laid behind my couch for an entire day, really didn't get up for much..would not eat chicken, cooked or raw(I never gave her any bones), peanut butter, bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, cheez its, dog food, cat food, canned or dry, bacon, sausage, nothing. didn't get up when we called her, we had her put down Thursday July 16. We all went, me, my husband, and my two daughters ages 9 and 15. she will be creamated and her ashes returned to us. It was terrible, I couldn't hold it together very well. I am confident that I did the absolute most I could for her but I still miss her beautiful face. I will NEVER forget her! Ever!

Thank you for all your help and prayers, it is appreciated.
agentcooper
Posted: 11:36:07 AM 7/20/2009
I am so very, very sorry for your loss.
Indifference turns clarity into denial. ~Quan Tracy Cherry
oxfordbostons
Posted: 12:09:20 PM 7/20/2009
So sorry for your loss. It's never easy to go through the loss of a pet. I hope you find peace.
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