am sure I am going to get some criticisms but I am looking for support. I had a 4 year old terrier mix dog that I got as a rescue from a shelter when he was 6 months old. He started showing signs of aggression early on, mostly with people outside my immdiate family. the first time we took him to the vet he lunged, growled and tried to bite people in the waiting room as well as the vet staff. They said he could not return there. He was aggressive the times people came over to the house as well we had to always put him in another room. I was told at this point to get rid of him since I had small children, but since he had not ever been aggressive towards them I decided not to. I found a trainer and took him to individual training for a 6 months and every other week for 4 more months at 50.00 a session. There was some improvement and when he had to go to the vet the next year I took him to the vet the trainer worked with and the same thing as the last time, the had to sedate him for an extra charge of 175. He continued growling at strangers and when people came over. I tried to deal with it, the kids started wanting to have friends over but we were afraid to with his behavior and when people did come over we had to put him in the other room. He at this point started growling at my youngest son when he would run around, he had not bitten him yet, my son was not teasing the dog but running near him maybe 3 feet away from where the dog was. At this point our older dog died of old age she never had these types of problems She was also a resuce. We took the dog for about 8 more training sessions, it was suggested we get another dog smaller than him to see if this helped with the behaviors. The vet had also given us xanax to try with him to see if it would help when we took him to the vet or if we knew we would have guests.The xanax had no effect and he bit one of my kid's cousin on the hand when she came over, he also bit my mother and father in law. Again not trying to bit any of us. The yearly vet visit came around again and like I said the xanax did not work again they sedated him and prescribed a daily medication which was 90.00 a month we tried this for 5 months and it did not work. Called the vet who said he must have "mental or neurological " problems. At this point I did not know what to do but continued to try and deal with it. About 6 months ago he started growling at my kids and my wife. Both when he was in his crate and out of the crate, He started to growl and lunge at the little dog, so much that if we left the room and they were both out we had to put him in the crate. Also once in the middle of the night he jumped on my bed when my wife was asleep and urinated on her. He continued getting worse and growling not only at strangers but at my kids. They had friends come over and we put the dog in the patio, he barked the entire time the other kids were there. And if they would walk near the sliding glass door he would growl and lunge at the glass. The final situation was when he bite both my kids on separate occaisions, this scared me. My oldest son has a physical disabilty and even though this is a 15 pound dog if he falls and the dog is biting him, he cant get up as quickly as we can. Around this time I had to take the other dog to the vet and discussed the dogs behavior getting worse, he stated that again he felt the dog was mentally ill and if he was a bigger dog He would suggest euthanasia but since he was only 15 pounds it was not as scary even with the kids. Like i said my oldest son has a physical disabilty and is not as agile as most kids his age, He referred me to an animal behaviorist who he described as an animal psychiatrist. I contacted her and she said it would be 375 for the first consulation and 100 an hour after that plus medications. She stated from the severity of his behaviors it would be at least 750-1000. Honestly I cant afford that. I consulted with a co worker who's daughter is a vet tech and she suggested he be put down, I talked to a friend who volunteers at a rescue organization she said the same and confrimed with their vet and he felt the same. I contacted 2 other rescue organizations and they told me he was unadoptable and should not be in a home especially not with kids one told me they were suprised I kept him for so long. I finally made an appointment with the humane society for euthanasia. When I took him they said I should not be with him when they did it, the person that was there said she felt I had done everything and my best with him. She said she would let him be evaulated to see if he was adoptable before putting him to sleep.(I think this was just to make me feel better) He growled and showed teeth at her and 2 other people in the waiting room. I was extremely upset I looked him in the eye and apologized to him. I think I was the only person he had nver growled at or tried to bite.This was four days ago and I cant stop thinking about it. I still feel very sad and gulity and even feel gulity for being able to enjoy the other dog we have. Luckily she was able to learn everything we learned from the trainer when we attended with the other dog she seems more relaxed with him gone and while I am happy she is a better companion I still feel sad.
You gave him a lot more chances than I would have.
The only thing I would have done differently is watch him be put down. Some places are less than honest and will readopt dogs out that should never be re-adopted out. Sets the dog up for a much worse end.
Some dogs are just born wired wrong. My friends had a golden mix that finally ended up attacking them. It was awful. At times he would be the sweetest thing and then he would see them walking by a doorway and bite them. He was never nice to strangers but he got worse and worse towards his own family. They did everything right but none of it helped. They had originally wanted to try to adopt him out and it took a lot of convincing for them to come to the conclusion it was not a good idea.
Personally I would look into a new vet if they didn't want you back for that. I have seen large dogs that wanted to eat my vet staff and they handle it just fine. Some dogs need sedated to go to the vet. It should not cost a ton.
I noticed with my friends that when they look at dogs they look for the one sitting in the corner that looks lonely. Not a good idea. Find the more outgoing dog and it isn't bad to have a behaviorist help you find a dog if you have had something like this happen in the past.
If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons -James Thurber
Thanks for the support and the feedback. It was the first vet that did not want us back.I never went back to the first vet after that. The second vet we went to 2 years in a row and they sedated him but each shot was like 80.00. One to sedate and one to wake him up, last year I told them to let him wake up on his own so I would not have to pay for the extra shot. The only thing I thought was odd that they said was that since he was a smaller dog i did not have to worry as much when it came to the biting, but that was contary to everything I have been told. The vet also mentioned liability if he bit someone. I still feel sad I guess it will take time. At least I know I tried, I also feel guilty when I walk the other dog alone now and it is so much easier and stress free. Thanks again
I think you made a terrific effort to try everything in your power to help and train the dog. some dogs just don't have great personalities, and are not worth losing everything over. You made the right decision, and my heart goes out to you for losing your loved pet. As much as we love our pets, our families have to come first.
Thanks for the kind words. I was able to deal with it for so long because until more recently he was just aggressive towards others, Once he started being aggresive towards my kids I got scared. Thanks again I am trying to feel better about it but still feel sad, I never wanted to be one of those people who give up on a pet
That is tough..my mother just got rid of her 2 year old pit because he started attacking the dog he was raised with.
If you are to get rid of the dog, dont give it to the pound because aggressive dogs will not be adopted. You need to find a home where there is plenty of room to run with no kids or other animals.
After all it is people that make dogs bad there arent dogs that are born mean...Have your tried a muzzle?
I have a pitbull myself, she cannot be trusted around many dogs, she actually tore my moms doxin apart. I would never get rid of her!!
When i got the pitbull i knew there was a small chance she could have aggression problems because i did not know her parents..because I knew what i was getting into, i could never get rid of her just get her the help she needs. AND A LOT OF EXCERSISE!!Lack of exercise will cause aggression.
I am very interested in your topic, please dont think i am being harsh, i have been in this situation.
Sorry I replied before I read it all. Again, our family had to get rid of a dog because of safety issues, the dogs name is not allowed to be mentioned in our home because it is still to sad. I am proud and amazed at all the things you did to help=) Unfortunately sometimes there just isnt anything you can do. Just remember that dog was not happy living like that either and he is now able to rest.
I've never heard a more malicious reply in my life. Shame on you! If you know better than everyone else, then I suggest you publish you contact info and start taking in every dog that would otherwise be euthanized! If you're unwiling to do that, then keep your mouth shut or learn some tact! Watching the Dog Whisperer doesn't make you an expert and Cesar isn't the least bit callous or arrogant. (I guess you didn't pick that part up from the show!)
OP, you did the right thing here! I commend you for making a tough decision and not just dumping dog, so she could be someone else problem. Your dog was aggressive towards people and that is very different than a dog aggressive pit(or other breed). Rehoming her would've caused a lot of stress, and possible injury for everyone and probably ended in the same result or worse.
This was a resuce dog, and the OP did alot to make things right. some dogs are untrainable. Even Ceaser agrees with that statement. One of his clients had the teeth filed down, because it was so nasty Ceaser couldn't even help.
Do you live with OP? Do you know exactly how he worked with or handled his dog? I don't think so. You have no right to be so nasty, and I wish you would move to another forum.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 8/12/2009 12:03:57 AM*** Reason: removed comment
To the original poster. I commend you on going way and above what many would have done in your shoes. While I can understand your emotions over this and as someone above stated some dogs are just wired wrong. You did everyothing in your power and the some to work with the dog for a very long time. Only if more would do the same instead of with out even giving it a second thought that dogs are disposable. I am so sorry it did not work out!
You hit the nail right on the head! You notice the name being calmASS! ASS is the most appropriate name for this this "person".
OP, I agree with everyone else. I also think you did the right thing. You did what you could. In your situation, a lot of people would have just sold the dog. I konw it was a hard thing to do, but you did make the right choice.
Animals, what animals? My children just have alot of hair!
calmassertiv You need to cool your jets just a tad and consider people's feelings in such a sensitive situation. You have managed to offend a large number of people with your 1st 4 posts. That doesn't bode well for being a long term, contributing member of the forum.
Folks disagree all the time. Sometimes heatedly, but to have a new person come on this forum and post something as hurtful in such a painful situation is simply not acceptable.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 8/11/2009 7:38:08 PM*** Reason: *
"Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant". author unknown
Thanks everyone for the support and niice comments, From what I read I am glad I did not get a chance to see the poster's comments that were removed. I did try. What I learned from the training I have used with our other dog and she was able to be trained. THANKS AGAIN
I'm sorry for your loss. You did everything you thought was right for him during his time with you and I believe you did what was right as you made your final decision for him. I understand your sadness and it will linger for awhile. You had this dog for 3-1/2 years and as much 'trouble' as he was, he was a very big part of your life and probably even more so because of the extra time, attention and care he commanded. Remember him with the best of memories and enjoy your time with your other dog. I'll bet in no time you will see a difference in her because she will now be able to blossom and be herself. My best to you and your family.