I used one for Gage, it did not hurt him, and I do know because I did try the thing on my own neck before I ever put it on him. I used it because he needed some refinement on his off leash recall, and it worked, now he doesnt use it at all. I also used a prong collar on him, horror of horrors, but again he doesnt use it now either. The reason he doesnt use either of these training tools now is because I used them to TRAIN my dog, they are both wonderful tools when used properly, the problem is that way too many people want to abuse them. They want to throw one of these on their dog and just expect their dog to listen 100% of the time. This is the reason I dont like the "bark collars" or the "invisible fence" systems, the owner has no control over the correction, they are for lazy people who dont want to actually train their dogs, IMO. Feel the same way about 99% of people who use Haltis or other head collars, they dont bother to train their dog, they just rely on the head collar to control their dog.
I have used one in the past but not really a "shock" collar. The one I used only caused a vibration when the dog would bark. The reason? She barked constantly all night long, no matter where she was or what was going on. I put the collar on her and she only barked a few times and that was the end of it.
"A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones who need advice." -Bill Cosby
I used a shock collar for one of my dogs. It did not hurt him. Just gave him a second or so of confusion, but he soon forgot and went on his merry way. This is a very highly debated topic. You will find people on both ends of the arguement. Personally. I feel nothing is wrong with shock collars as long as you use them exactly how it says to.
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I use it on my dog - it's not like the thing is continuously shocking your dog - your dog learns quite quickly that he shouldn't bark or whatever you're trying to train him on. A trainer told me the citronella spray ones are worse as the sprays burns their nasal passages long after the spray has occurred. I think a one time shock compared to long time nasal burning is worth a shot. My dog knows that once that collar is on, she has to be quiet. The only problem is don't get your dog excited when he has it on....
In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog. ~Edward Hoagland
I use them on an as needed basis. Once I strap it on my dogs they know not to bark.
I don't use them continuously or even too frequently as it does cause chaffing in the area where the electrodes contact the skin. One night on is good for about 3 nights of peace. Sometimes all I have to do is ask them if they want to wear their bark collars and that will shut them up for a while!
You can't win if you don't play the game -- Me!
All cruelty stems from weakness -- Seneca
Sometimes a dog is as good as any man -- Bell/Houser
People use them because they love their dogs and recognize how important proper training is. Admittedly, some people abuse them, but there are people who are abusive no matter what tool they use to train. I don't use an e-collar with my dog but I do use the pronged collar to train him. I don't like using it, but I have a very big puppy who I am scared to death will accidentally hurt someone. If they hurt the wrong person or a child, the state can mandate that the dog is put down (at which point I am pretty sure I'd become a fugitive with my dog, lol). Bottom line for me is that I'd rather use a correction that I give him to teach him, rather than have life correct him for not being properly trained. I don't mean to be harsh here, but I don't think you should jump to conclusions about how people train their dogs. I love my dog to death and just want what's best for him.
I've never used one. I walk all my dogs off leash on our land and they have a great recall.If I had a problem with my dogs running down the neighbors sheep or couldnt call them off a deer I would problably consider one. I'd first find a good trainer to teach me how to properly use it though.
I am not sure whether or not its my particular dog or his age (eight month Saint Bernard) but he's been a SOB lately. I have a friend whose about 4'11" and she went into the backyard without me (my fault I should have warned her) but he decided to "play" with her and almost took her out. When he's on his hind legs he is an entire head above her. I went running down to "save" her and he was thinking "Game on", lol, and totally took me down while I tried to grab his collar. It was a nightmare. Thank god she was understanding. In his mind it's all good natured, he doesn't have a malicious bone in his body, but his size and strength is frightening sometimes. We do attend obedience training, but its constantly a work in progress, and I think it will be until he fully matures. It doesn't help that he's an unaltered male, either, I think it's partially raging hormones.
I have been considering such a thing for my dog once I can afford it, mainly because when he is left alone, he barks non-stop(Which is funny because he is so quiet unless left totally alone). He's a shelter dog and I have no idea of his background since he was found as a stray. I assume that wherever he came from was not much of a home and he had no training and was likely abandoned, since he has issues with separation anxiety. He has been slowly improving though, and I will continue to work with him on this issue using other techniques for a while and see how it goes. If I do end up purchasing any type of shock collar for him, it will only be used while he is being supervised and only as a training tool--and not something I will be using forever or for a long period of time.
In my opinion, dogs are much tougher than us humans when it comes to pain. Not surprisingly, considering the ways they play with one another. I don't think a bark collar will hurt my dog as long as I use it properly, and I will more than likely test it on myself before using it on my dog. If it causes me severe pain, then no, I wont use it on him. Dogs have incredibly strong,tough necks. You could not put a collar on a person and expect them to tolerate being tugged around. However, it does not seem to phase my dog in the least bit when he pulls against his own collar with all his might. You can't lift a person by the scruff of the neck...they don't have scruffs. A dogs neck is designed very differently from ours.
We have daschunds and against my beliefs we had to purchase them collars, well let me tell you they learned quickly and I dont have to get rid of my dogs due to complaining neighbours. The collars we purchased after we spent $500 on training that didnt work ( mostly because there wasnt consitancy with in the family and I work full time) Do I have guilt over them yes but I would feel even worse if I had to let them go !
I have bassets and they can be quite noisy. But I've only had to use a shock collar on one of them, a rescue, who would bark non-stop if he couldn't see me. He got the idea after 2 mild shocks. Citronella collars can be hard to use with bassets because of the loose skin aroudn their necks.
They are not the best solution and I think they should be used only when other methods fail. But, if it's a choice between having to give up a dog or use a shock collar then I'll vote for the shock collar (properly used) every time.
You know I used Shock collars at very low levels, I even had collars modified to reduce the shock even more. A human could not feel it. I used my collars for training sport dogs, so they were for training...and were used 3 times a week or so. What I noticed was over the course of time, even though the shock was extremely low and the dog showed no outward aversion to the collar, the dog in the beginning responded well (and well means that it had the effect I wished) but as time went on...I noticed that the dog would continue to try and figure out new ways to avoid the collar. Basically correction started to create unwanted behaviors. So, I thought that I would make it impossible for the dog to escape the shock, by shocking for the new unwanted behaviors. The dog then, just basically started to give up, I noticed she was becoming slower, a dog who moves extremely fast in her obedience was now taking her time to do everything, She was not as excited for her ball, food or training in general. So, I do believe that although we may not see an immediate negative effective from minor punishment. But the Cumlative effect over time can cause unforseen results, now I do not think that throwing the collar away for all time is a good idea but being very judicial about it's use might be a good idea.
I believe a dog's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment he holds dear, is when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-with a ball in his mouth."