We live in an "E" world, (oh, that means electronic) so I naturally assumed EVERYONE with a computer would understand what I was referring to when I used the "E" term~ 'E-collar'.
rescued -- Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have a couple of technical degrees, so I understand what electronics are. And, yes, I understood that "e-collar" did NOT mean Elizabethan collar in this context. That was just to emphasize that just because you are picturing something clearly in your mind when you use a term, not everyone can read your mind.
You seemed to be railing about people being ignorant about the differences in collar types, then continued to use the vague term "e-collar." Strictly speaking, they are ALL electronic collars.
I think your post just rubbed me the wrong way that day. No harm; no foul.
I have used both a remoted electronic collar for training, and a bark collar...both of the shock variety. Like Rescued, I too kept stims low. But low is an subjective term. Dogs have different sensitivities to "stims". Some dogs can take a lot, even bark right through collar, work right through a collar.
Check this dog out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hbvsQJ4-sk At about 1:05 Pay attention to when the stim is applied...notice the reaction to the dog. he virtually does not care. The collar is as high as high it will go. That kind of stimulation on some dogs may effect them forever. This was a seminar I attended. The dog being worked is my dogs father. THat being said, the one reason electric training works so well is it's a feeling that stands out in the dogs mind, they have never experienced anything like it before. One of the reasons it can be such a destructive tool is it's a feeling that stands out in the dogs mind, they have never experienced anything like it before.
I used to do a lot of electronic training but I started to notice after a long time, the cumlative effect of the stims started to slowly wittle down my dogs zest for training. She became less, the other thing I see is dogs like the one is video become tolerant of it.
I think that this happens because when we use it on one behavior and works good, and works good because the dog wants to avoid getting shocked (call it what you will but shock collars, shock dogs. it's the whole shell shock vs PTSD thing...one sounds totally devoid of felling the other is full of it) We use it on another, and another and another. Soon the dog learns, that the collar is virtually inescapable. The dog thinks even if it I get it right here, the collar is going to shock me sooner or later again. On most dogs the level of deterioration is slow and unnoticable till a long time has passed.
I have since had to re-think my application of the tool. I have found a lot of alternate means of discpline. One for barking I do is. When the dog barks, no matter where I am I say "No". No means at that moment what you are doing is wrong, and now I going to give you a corretion. The first time I did this, I chased my dog around the yard for an hour. But then she finally submitted. Now, when I yell no, she will stop, ears go down, and she comes groveling...too late, here comes your correction. The barking has extingushed. But when I say no...there is no escape. I will get you, and you will be punished.
I believe a dog's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment he holds dear, is when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-with a ball in his mouth."
gunny - What do you use for punishment? We are at a loss for what is an appropriate correction for barking. When our pup has gotten too amped up, I've resorted to the crate as a signal that he needs to settle down.
rescued, i appreicate your helpful and KIND comments to my post.
Nodogyet...I am a "new poster" as you put it and I have my own dog at home that is 13.5 year old samoyed extremely well behaved and I am currently at school with a FRIEND who does have the puppy. I don't feel the need to lie/ cover up my actions in the way I trained my own 13.5 year old dog and have genuine questions for my friend who is doing her personal best to raise this puppy.
i don't agree with her use of the ecollar because I've never personally used one before but at the same time with knowledge comes power and hence why I started this post in the first place.
I feel that if people don't have kind constructive posts, like rescued made, maybe they should post on another blog. no one is starting posts here to start an agrument, rather to become further informed.
Gunny: You make a very valid point when you say the **electronic/ remote collar stimulation is both bad and good. I completly agree. As I stated, I use this for specialized training sessions after basic obedience has been learned. The ONLY reason I posted to this site was to inform others of MY personal experiences. Only with proper information can one choose the proper tool for a situation. Then one MUST know when enough is enough and find a new approach.
nfabraham: Thank you.
I must dispell a statement made in one of the answers to my post: I am not so arrogant as to think I have the right, nor do I have any inclination, to think anyone is ignorant because I don't agree with a particular post(er) on this site or otherwise. I was merely stating my personal experience hoping others might benefit from it. Nuff said!
**I created a new post in Dog Talk about E-collars. (hopefully) others might be better informed as a result of this new topic. Happy training,
"Every dog is capable of greatness" "Learned Behavior ~ Smarter Dogs"tm
Ambiguity is relevant only when one has no knowledge of what a specific term or terms is commonly KNOWN to represent. Therefore, my use of 'E-collar' in this forum was correct and understood (I am cetain) by most of the readers of my post. I do apologize however, for any "ambiguity" in my use of 'E-collar' to those misunderstanding my meaning. I really didn't think I needed a more definitive explaination of what 'E-collar' stands for.
To me, an E-collar is "commonly KNOWN" as an Elizabethan collar. Of course that is because I am in the field of Veterinary medicine and not dog training. While I knew what you were referring to, there may be a good number who don't as E-Collar obviously can mean different things. So yes a more definitive explanation might be necessary in the future.
I have tried the citronella anti bark collars and they are a waste of money. When used on Thunder, he barked, got a spray, stopped for a second to investigate the new smell, figured out it was inconsequential to him, and continued barking. I would think any dog would just ignore it and continue on.
I wouldn't use any of these tools on a puppy. Teach first, then if after you are still not getting results move on to something else. This is still a baby yet and alot more can result from proper teaching 1st.
If you purchase a shock collar for barking, you don't have to do anything. When the dog barks the collar will shock him, you are not in control.
When he makes a noise, the collar will shock, and that is when you say quiet. After he has stopping making noise, praise and say good quiet. Maybe even a treat.
The problem is the dog is getting attention when he makes noise. In my opinion, I would ignore him, and after he is completely quiet then make a fuss. He will soon learn he gets attention when he is quiet, not when he makes noise. Good luck
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