"Maybe some know better but cant control themselves? Hitting/slapping is done out of anger."



Wrong, again.

As a matter of fact, I can't recall one time in my canine career that I've ever been angry or mad at one of my dogs.



By the way, you statement regarding removing food is not a way of obidence training to ME. Food is a necessity for survival. Talk about a dog losing trust! You go ahead and keep taking that food bowl away. Then, when you least expect it and go to put it down and then take it up again, s/he will be so much on the defense that you might get a nice, teeth-sinking surprise. Would you like to see an example of a finger that had to be amputated because it was so badly mangled from the dog bite? The dog had never been hit nor abused; the owner simply took her food away when she was bad and the dog became angry and let the owner know.

Either way, I think there are clearly a lot of different opinions here. What has worked for me is what I have stated and I will stick by that. I think that DeputyDog and Scout have validated some very good training tips and points that are effective and not harmful to puppies or dogs in the least. (And even catlover mentioned a few good methods as well) but as far as me being cruel or angry regarding MY dogs, that's pure baloney!!!

QUOTE BY CORSOMOM "I think owners beat pups/dogs because they are cruel and abusive. I think owners that slap/hit pups/dogs do so because they dont know any better... "

In prior posts you made a few fairly well reasoned arguments. Even if I did not agree with them. With this post you have lost all credibility. Congratulations, you have joined the ranks of the intellectually mediocre.

You are now responding with emotion instead of logic. You are making statements that have no basis in fact. Hitting/slapping is not a limited response to only anger. You are mistaken.

I would give you additional examples of your flawed logic but at this point I have no reason to believe that you would give them any serious consideration. You have closed your mind.

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can someone close this thread? I'm so sick and tired of Deputy's narcissistic ramblings...

....claiming his own personal experience as proof enough and then demanding links/research material for everyone else....

....it's gotten so far off track from the OPs quesion that it doesn't even make sense anymore and has turned into a one man pissing contest.

"By the way, you statement regarding removing food is not a way of obidence training to ME. Food is a necessity for survival. Talk about a dog losing trust! You go ahead and keep taking that food bowl away. Then, when you least expect it and go to put it down and then take it up again, s/he will be so much on the defense that you might get a nice, teeth-sinking surprise. Would you like to see an example of a finger that had to be amputated because it was so badly mangled from the dog bite? The dog had never been hit nor abused; the owner simply took her food away when she was bad and the dog became angry and let the owner know."


Where did you read I take a dogs food away? You are the one that posted a link that advises that. I never take food away, I said this can lead to resource guarding. I teach my dogs that only good things happen when I am around their food, nothing gets taken away.

"You are now responding with emotion instead of logic. You are making statements that have no basis in fact. Hitting/slapping is not a limited response to only anger. You are mistaken."

Deputy, if anyone can be accused of responding with emotion instead of logic and making statements that have no basis in fact on this thread it would be you.

Hey Doggydaddy,

If you are so sick of my "narcissistic ramblings", then why are you still reading this thread? There are many other topics in discussion here that you may find more palatable.

Lets be careful with the name calling OK?

If you want to contribute to the discussion, then feel free. If all you have are adhominums, Then I fail to see how YOU are helping the OP with her question.


QUOTE BY DOGGYDADDY "....claiming his own personal experience as proof enough and then demanding links/research material for everyone else...."

I made it clear to those arguing against my position that I did not want "links research/research material form anyone else" I wanted them to personally validate their position. Did you not understand that? Be honest doggydaddy, how much of this thread have you really read? Here, let me help you out with my own quote:


I don't want links to another breeders website with a different philosophy. I don't want to read anyone else's opinion. I want hers. Then I want her to validate it.

Can you see the water now sailor?

DID NOT...DID SO...DID NOT.

I began to realize last night that this debate had started it's inevitable spiral deterioration. When a debate turns into emotional reactions and sways off topic it is because those debating can no longer argue the points solely on merit. Sarcastic witticisms and name calling is not far behind. We are starting to see just the tip of that already. On both sides

I have made my position clear and when not jabbed at, have debated mostly on point. I have nothing further to add.

I will exit this debate knowing that I have articulated my position clearly and accurately. I hope that some that have been following but have not yet opined may have found it interesting and informative. I hope the OP found the answer she needed.

I hope that against the wish of DoggyDaddy to censor this thread that the moderators allow this discussion to continue. I think it is a necessary debate to have and perhaps others may still wish to toss their hat in the discussion.



***Edited By: deputydog on 5/11/2010 11:55:01 AM***
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