I dont know the TRUTH about ****. However, this is MY THRUTH. Just for a bit of back story of myself, I have been in veterinary medicine for 25 years, owned many dogs, many different breeds, big, small & some of them difficult. But always, always no matter the health or behavior issue was able to resolve most issues & enjoy my beloved pets for a long & happy friendship. I enquired about this breed about 3 years ago & spoke with ****on several occasions. The conversations were good. (but there was a deposit coming)When the final payment was made & the puppy was shipped to me, he arrived dirty, nails NEVER seen a pair of nail trimmers, NOT SOCIAL OR ENGAGING WHAT SO EVER!!. As if this pup was NEVER socialized..NEVER. On his web page ****lists several premium diets that he himself feeds & recomends. The puppy was shipped with a baggy of KIBBLS & BITS!! Literaly, as the obvious kibbles & chewy bits..This is not a diet I would feed EVER!! Nor is it what this breeder says he feeds or recomends..Ok so I can get over that I suppose..The puppy also came with NO signed contract (which has many gaurantees on health & customer satisfaction) RED FLAG!! I get this puppy home & he is not friendly, he runs out of his kennel, wets himself, & even tries to bite when picked up!! He was 8 weeks old!! I call ****the next day as I do NOT want an 80 pound fear biter on my hands. He assured me he would come around. Still no contract by the way.This animal has been fearful & aggressive since I brought him home. When he is disciplined by a simple tug on his leash & a firm "heel" he attacks the leash & I cannot begin to tell you how many times he has tried to bite me. He is unadoptable, he is my problem, my responsability. Poeple have asked me why I chose this breed. I honestly believed ****when he said this is a loving - protective breed. If ****breeds dogs for thier instability, fear & aggression, then well he's hit those traits right on the head!! I have socialized him, trained him, even tried Prozac for Christs sake! And although I would never abandon the responsability I have to this animal, I am constantly stressed by him & waiting for the day he attacks me or someone else. I WOULD NEVER EVER RECOMMEND THIS BREED, NOR THIS BREEDER EVER!! They are not raised with love in a family environment, that is obvious by the way this pup came to me. Quite sad actually. Buyer beware. Very terrible experience, very exspensive mistake, not a joy to own a dog of this nature..He is work, he is unpredictable, he himself is not happy due to being afraid of EVERYTHING. I have given him a stable environment, he goes to work with me, he wasnt left alone, left untrained...He is simply a bad seed & seeing as **** NEVER gave me a signed contract- I have no recourse what so ever. He also has a congentital defect in both of his eyes that required surgery, again no contract no recourse. SO....THANK YOU *** FOR BREEDING EXTREMELY UNSTABLE ANIMALS. Shame on you as you laugh all the way to the bank.
***Edited By: admin on 7/19/2011 11:39:33 AM*** Reason: NO Breeding/Breeder Bashing of any kind
Very sorry to read about your experience but the rules of the forum specifically state you cannot use kennel or breeder names in your posts.
I wonder, if the dog is as unhappy as you state, or you are that concerned about the possibility of him biting you or someone else, have you considered euthanizing him? That is no kind of life to live for either of you. It's a rotten solution but it may be all thats left to do at this point
Actually how I even found this site was by the very mention of a specific kennel & other horror stories regarding the Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog breeding..So my apologies for mentioning the breeder, but I truly believe that any breeder who breeds a specofic breed for the true love of the breed would breed for sound temperment. And yes I have considered euthanasia, as this is a very unstable pet. But I am working with him as any responsible pet owner would do. You wouldnt euthanise an autistic child? I do not wish to visit this site further. As my freedom of speach is obviously not appreciated nor any of my concerns taken seriously. Maybe *** runs this site!
***Edited By: admin on 7/19/2011 11:39:45 AM*** Reason: NO Breeding/Breeder Bashing of any kind
Regardless of my personal feelings on getting the word out about bad breeders/breeding, those are the rules of the forum, which you must read and agree to before posting. So whether I, you, or anybody else, like it or not, it's my responsibility to enforce the site's posting policies.
Euthanasia for humans is not an option so whether I would or wouldn't euthanize an autistic child is irrelevant. If your dog is as unstable as you make him seem, you know any number of your colleagues, especially those who specialize in behavior, would make the same recommendation to you. I have seen them make the recommendation for behavioral issues far less severe than yours seem to be.
Good luck working with him. Hopefully you will have that breakthrough you are looking for.
First, I wouldn't own a breed of dog that has "Alpha" In the first part of it's name. How did you think it was going to act?
Second, if the dog is truly as bad as you say, you need to put it down. Why would you mess with a dog that is so unstable, when there are hundreds of good dogs in shelters dying for a nice home? It makes no sense. Are you just waiting for the dog to seriously harm a person?
I think you are putting too much blame on the breeder and not enough blame on the dog. You can't say if it was a problem with the parents. You never met the parents. Out of a litter of 5-10 puppies, maybe you just got the 1 bad puppy. Which sucks for you, but until you KNOW this breeder frequently has these problems with ALL or many of his puppies you may be slamming someone for no reason.
BREEDERS ARE NOT GODS! They do not have control over how every single puppy come out. The most they can to is TRY.
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This situation sounds very sad, but it raises many questions for me. How old is the dog now? How is there "no recourse" in the absence of a contract? And what on earth does "alway, always....most" mean?
But always, always no matter the health or behavior issue was able to resolve most issues
I can understand peoples concern about this breed but since I own one myself I can also speak in their defense. I have a wonderful female who has been nothing but loving and kind since the day I brought her home. When I originally got her she was smaller than my min-pin Zues who runs my home. I am a single mother of three and she is the most gentle loving and patient dog I have ever owned. I two have experience with a variety of different breeds. For her size you’d think she would be clumsy, but the dog has an elegant stature. I can keep her in my yard and she’s quiet not much of a barker does not disturb my neighbors. I have also found that she has been the easiest dog for me to train and is content just being in the room with us not always pestering and requiring constant attention. A dog breed is not bad because of its name or the characteristics of one or two of them hell were human and look at some of the crazy things people do to their own families/ friends. My children are six, four, and five month and she has never snipped at them even when being rough housed with, yanked on, jumped on or so many of the other things my boys make her endure. Now just because I say that believe me when I say this no dog should be left around a child unattended and when these three play they are always under my watchful eye. My minpin is a prime example I don’t let him play with the kids because he is prone to nip. In the end a bad breeder can give a dog a devastatingly wrong reputation. That’s just my two cents.
"My children are six, four, and five month and she has never snipped at them even when being rough housed with, yanked on, jumped on or so many of the other things my boys make her endure."
This irritates me more than just about anything else. Why on earth would ANYONE allow their child to "yank, jump on, etc" a dog? If a child ever did that, just ONE time, to one of my dogs-it would be the last time that child would be around my dogs.
I sometimes hear someone say that their dog is so "smart" because he doesn't bite a child that is pulling its ears, tail, etc. And I think yes, the dog is obviously smarter than the child OR the parents. Why must a dog "endure" this? Why isn't the child taught NOT to do this? Geesh.
As I was saying it is a for instance not that I intentially take my children and say here hunny beat the hell out of the dog and see if she bites you. But it is a fact that all young children can be rough with any animal. Yes I correct them when it happens. No I do not condone it or allow them to get away with it.
Simply saying it is good to have a pet that will not turn and bite a person for doing something wrong especially a young child who is still learning.
They don't automatically think lets go hurt the dog children maybe believe its play and need to be taught properly how to interact just like the animal. So yes it does need to be a smart well adjusted pet in order to do this. Note I also said no child I repeat no child should be left alone around a dog no matter how good it is. Just like people they have bad days too.
You obviously do not have young children or you would not have misunderstood my post. Next time ask a question before making an assumption.
"You obviously do not have young children or you would not have misunderstood my post. Next time ask a question before making an assumption."
A little bit sensitive, aren't you? I never implied that you encourage your kids to abuse the dog. I only said when a child is rough with a dog, he should be corrected. People teach their kids not to touch the stove. They learn immediately that it is hot, and they don't need to burn themselves again and again to know that. And yet often, these same people say their child is "too young" to understand that he is hurting a pet, or when to stay away from a dog or cat.
I used to work at an animal shelter, and I foster dogs for a rescue group. I know more than you could ever imagine about what kids do to pets (and what parents let them get away with). It is not only people with ill-trained dogs that can give certain breeds a bad reputation. It is also people with ill-trained children. Whether or not I have children has absolutely nothing to do with it. (Perhaps YOU should ask a question before making an assumption.)
With toddlers, there is a learning curve, just like with everything else. PUlls on dog's ear. Mom says NO! Just like she would with hot coffee or sharp objects. They have to be taught, just like they have to be taught everything else. But it might take some correcting inappropriate behaviors a bit before they get the picture. Also, they tend to topple over a lot.. A specific incident comes to mind-- once my friend's little girl, as a toddler, fell and landed square on their pit bull's testicles. He let out a whimper. No snapping, growling, or anything. I think this is the kind of thing Lowercase is saying, though I can't speak for him or her.
The key to young children and ANY breed of dog is supervision. I was snapped in the face as a kindergartener by our Shih Tzu and have a small scar on my nostril. It could have been worse, but my parents didn't supervise me very well. It was the 70's I was riding in the front seat of the car standing in the middle unbuckled while they were smoking cigarettes on either side of me.
My point is that anyone with a puppy/dog need to supervise their young children until they learn how to treat a dog. My daughter grew up in a house with a few dogs. My son was born in to a house with 8 dogs. No problems because I watched him, and if I couldn't DIRECTLY supervise I put either him or the dogs away.
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I remember when my son was around 1 he was playing with his toys and for whatever reason thought it would be a good idea to hit my dog with the toy. He got reprimanded and was made to go hug my dog and say he was sorry. Also remember him at 3 deciding it would be fun to try and ride same dog like a pony. My dog was arthritic at that point and didn't find it amusing at all. Told my son 3 times to knock it off, smacked his butt but he still decided to try it again. My dog turned and bit him in the face. He didn't even scratch my sons skin but left a red mark. It took that to finally get it through my son's head that it wasn't so much fun after all. I was right there in both scenarios but sometimes kids being kids, things just happen, no matter how many times you tell them different. Now as a teenager he can't even discipline any dog in the house because he is such a softy and doesn't want to hurt their feelings.
@ Catlover I too worked at an animal shelter and yes I am sensitive about both my pets and my children. My inferance was not to say I allow my children to blindly abuse my pets because I do not. But kids learn at differnt stages yes if they touch a hot stove they have an immediate rememberance of it. But think back as a child how many times did your parents tell you not to touch, or stop doing something and you still did it.
I am very proud of my dog and do believe she would never intentionally harm my children or vice versa. But kids are kids I mean hell thats like tell the 7 year old not to hit the 5 year old and see if they do that the 1st time around. No they still fight and pick on each other, but at the end of the day love one another.