I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. We (my husband & I)are trying to decide if we should train our 8 month old Bichon, with a training collar system. I'm concerned about her small size. We use to have a larger dog that we used a wireless instant fence, which worked wonders. But it isn't made for the size of dog we have now. She is usually tied outside on a long lead, attached to a clothesline wire from the porch to the garage, which gives her lots of room. I would like to get her to stay in the yard without having to tie her up. Plus like as I was typing this, my eight year old went to go out side and she got out the door and ran to the neighbors. I know all about keeping her on a leash but that doens't always work. We are trying to use clicker training which is working for everything except when she gets out the door. Is it safe to use the remote collars on a small dog? We just don't know which way to go. I'm not thinking of the invisable fence, just the collars with the different levels of correction. Which we could use for the other parts of training too.
they make remote collars for smaller dogs. i use a remote collar on my mal. my advice to you, is to take your dog to someone who has experience with remote collars and get your dog temperment tested. these collars are only good on certain dogs. some dogs bite when stimulated some cower, some get the point and comply. i think remote collars should be a last resort training method or used only for dogs involved in serious work that demands strict obedience like police work
The one I was looking at has 7 levels of correction...and the option to train with tones only. I would only use a very slight correction only if absolutely necessary....I don't want to harm my "baby". The running out of the house is the main problem.. She is just soooo fast and I'm afraid she is going to get on the road and get hit. We can't put up a fence because of the area we are in. Like I said we trained our other dog with the invisable fence and it worked great. But the shock from that one is too harsh for my Bichon. I'm having this delima because hubby, wants me to get a collar so that when she does get out...we can stop her without chasing her around the neighbor hood. Which doesn't work, cuz she thinks it is big fun to be chased.
Is there anyone else here besides gunny that has used the training collars????? I really need to find out more about them. I've done searchs for them but just get the info on the product not the actual use....
If your thinking about going to the trouble of using a shock collar, why not just give the old fashioned way a try, first. Get a long trainning lead. When the dog goes beyond it's boarder, give a tub and firmly say "no". Have someone helping you who could give a treat when the dog obeys the boundries. When the dog starts to do well on lead, try taking the lead off and doing the same thing. Never expect the dog to stay alone in the yard off lead. That's asking too much. (in case you were thinking of it) I have never had a fence and have been able to keep my dogs in their boundries (most of the time)
I use a remote collar, or e-collar as we call them in Singapore. It's quite common here. Winnie (English cocker spaniel) doesn't wear it when she is at home unless we have visitors and I am afraid she'll jump up, bark or snap at them. And I only use it on the lowest setting. Normally that is all she needs. She doesn't yelp or fuss and I know she's not hurting because she screams if I even accidentally lay on her paw! I do use the collar when we are outside because I let her off the lead in the garden of our condominium. She chases cats and birds and I am also afraid that she will run into the car park and get hit. With distractions, she will not come if I put it on the lowest setting so I have to crank it up a bit but she doesn't fuss either, just comes running over with a sheepish look on her face because she knows she has been naughty. I don't smack her when she does something wrong and I think the e-collar is fine as long as it is not abused ie you put it on the highest setting and keep your finger on the button. It is all up to owner responsibility. It is much worse if she dashes out of the house and gets hit by a car so if the e-collar works for you, and you know how to use it properly, it is a very useful tool. But it doesn't work without training. Currently, I have a trainer who comes once a week to train with us and guide me on how to use it. Winnie knows come, sit, down, stay, heel, paw and off/no. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask and I will answer as best as I can.
"If your thinking about going to the trouble of using a shock collar, why not just give the old fashioned way a try, first. " In response to this post.... I have tried "the old fashioned way". I have trained 2 other dogs to stay in the yard, so I do know how to train dogs... My pup is well behaved except when getting out the door when the neighbor kids are in and out. Another problem with the "old fashioned" way is we suspect she has a collapsing treacha which I am not to tug at her collar. I'm am trying to figure out how to keep her from being killed on the road..... As of now we have had to switch to a harness...which is hard to put on and off everytime she needs to go out. I was told not to keep it on her all the time, plus being a Bichon, it mattes her hair more... I've also thought about the pinch collars...but really not sure about those with her treachea problem. Thanks for the other replies...I'll be waiting for the post from shiny....
http://www.pounderpits.com/information/Owners/Shock.htm One other thing that I like about the shock collar is that it is a way of disciplining that does not involve any touching or yanking. It's easy on the trachea, and the dog doesn't associate my hands or the leash with the correction. If used correctly, I can't think of any possible way that it could injure the dog. I need to add that stuff to my writeup!
Shiny... Thankyou for the link. I enjoyed reading it and it sound like something I'll consider. I was planning on using it only for the serious things she need correction with. My question is, would you ever consider using one on your Yorkie? this is the problem I'm having. My bichon only weighs 10 lbs. I'm not sure the ones with just the tones will work. How many levels does your system have?
Thank you both! *blushes* It has 10 levels. Missy has no idea that I have even pressed the button until level 3, I could "shock" her on level 1 and she would not look surprised or raise her ears or even notice at all. I could actually try that on the yorkie (can't do it immediately, would have to wait for him to bite at someone's ankles when the phone rings!) and see what his reaction is. I am pretty sure that they make them specifically for small dogs too, though. Where the level doesn't go as high, the whole collar is just smaller, smaller box on the front, and they may be less expensive. Check at Petsmart if they have one near you just to see what they have to offer for small dogs. Another cool thing about going up there to look at them is that you can end up talking to other people you meet in the shock collar aisle who have experience with small dogs and shock collars.
shiny, your essay thing was really good!:) i use to think it was an inhumane(sp) thing because of the way i've seen it used on dogs around me. thank you for showing me that it's not like that as long as it's used correctly. :)
We also use a shock collar on one of our Pomeranians. He barked all the time, which I know is a trait of Pommies but seriousely, it was all the time and for no reason. We took him to the vet to find out if there was any medical reasons and the vet figured he just liked to hear himself. So after having tons of messages left on our machine about our barking dog, we decided to try the shock collar. (Mind you, this is after many different techniques and even seeing a behaviourist) and it worked the first time, it is so nice to be able to let him out and know that we aren't upsetting our neighbors and he knows when the collar is on that he shouldn't bark. With one bark, it gives a beep and on the second bark it gives a small shock, tested by us to see how strong it was, it didn't hurt but definitely got our attention. He knows now, that he can get away with one bark and that is it. I would highly reccomend them to anyone who has already tried all other alternatives.
shinyblackpit, thanks for that link. I have been trying to convince my wife that there is nothing wrong with a shock collar as used as you described. I think your explanation is a lot better than mine and might be able to help me out.