You two are saying that aggression is normal behaviour? And if I wasn't prepared for it I shouldn't have gotten a puppy? If I was a first-time dog owner and hadn't talked to my vet I might believe you. Except that we've had two dogs before who showed *no* tendencies like this at any age. I was told by the vet that it is not normal at only 2 months to display this degree of aggressive behaviour. And that his experience is the impulse will only get stronger over the next 2-3 years. People should know that aggressive dogs are not displaying normal behaviour. What the posters here were describing in their dogs is not normal. Having never had a dog like this until now I'm no expert but I would venture that the average pet owner is not prepared to deal with this kind of behaviour. If you take this to mean that the average pet owner should therefore not have a dog, well, sorry if I can't agree with you. What it means to me is that people should understand their limits and be honest about their ability to manage a dog that is aggressive. It is not the same level of effort as training and living with most dogs.
th situations described in the previous posts were not about viscious or "aggressive " behaviors. they were posts about normal puppy behavior trying to figure out where they stand in their new pack. amongst a litter of puppies they will all test each other to determine where they fit. when you place them in a new pack the struggle to find out where they fit starts all over again. not all puppies will try and challenge for a higher status. some are content being the lower pack member and will never challenge you. unfortunately puppies are only equipped with their mouths and their voices to display what they are thinking and feeling. it is up to us as their owners to teach them how to behave in our world as they are only doing what comes naturally in their world.pups do not view human children as superior to them. they view them as equals, siblings in a sense. again it is up to us to teach them that our children are above them. none of this is terribly hard to do. you as the alpha regulate the interactions between all members of the pack. from day 1 when the pup is brought into the house you start with the nilif program. that is nothing in life is free. that means the pup does something to earn what you give it. sit for meals, does anything actually but sit is the easiest thing to teach a young pup. sit for meals, treats, going out for a potty break. anything the pup wants he has to earn. this is especially important for your kids. they also need to make the dog sit for anything. if dog doesn't dog doesn't get treat. obedience training is not jsut for the adults it is for the kids too. not only to teach the dog but children really enjoy becoming an active member in the dogs life. if you have no time for obedience training then you have no time for any dog, good or bad. a good dog is what you make of it. they aren't born knowing our rules. they need to be taught. just as you teach your children right from wrong, good vs. bad , and how to act apprpriately the same applies to dogs. this are all very simple things that really don't take much time out of your life to enforce and the rewards are endless. but if you are completely unwilling to do right by your pup give it to a breed rescue right away before it gets any older and develops any more bad habits. left unmanaged and growing older you are setting this pup up for failure in his next home and ultimately he will wind up in a shelter because it will be too late. he is like playdoh right now. you can mold him any way you want. btw, what breed is he?
from various things I have read, aggression IS normal behavior for dogs, among dogs. They figure stuff out by growling, establishing dominance,etc. Of course aggression to humans is a problem, and should not be acceptable. But in terms of dogs and their behavior, aggression is totally normal. I hate to sound like a broken record to regular posters, but The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson explains this. The whole premise of the book is how some perfectly normal dog behaviors (like aggression ) are not acceptable in our human society, and how we can train and condition them to fit in "our" pack. my dog showed some agressive tendencies as a pup. He growled when I picked him up, and growled when I would try to take a toy away. I had to do a lot of work with him but he does not growl anymore in those circumstances. And even when he did, I did not think was abnormal or a bad dog. He was uncomfortable being held because that is not normal for dogs! He growled at me to keep me away from "his" toys and his food, something that is perfectly acceptable for a dog to do when you think about it in the most basic sense. He is protecting his resources, it's a survival thing.
I agree with eshanna to a point..........it is normal for a dog or any creature to protect what is "his". Althought I DO NOT agree with a growling dog at any age. It needs to be corrected ASAP (whatever the cost) I have never had a pet growl at myself or my chidren so I do not know what it takes to end it. I do know that a puppy has to be taught from day 1 who is in charge. Minniyar is correct is saying u need to put ur daughter in charge whenever possible. BTW....... everyone recommends u go to the breeder of the pup. Did it come from a breeder? all I caught was that you "acquired" this dog. If you "acquired" it then do you have any history on this dog? If not......I suggest you find out all you can about this dog and the breed itself. I know this particular thread goes back several months and hopefully you have the issue resolved but.......for future reference, you have been given some good advise from other posters to use now and possibly later.
I think some are confusing what is normal dog behavior versus what is acceptable to US humans. I never said or meant to imply that a dog that growls at or bites people is ok, good, should be accepted or condoned, etc. I am trying to say that for a DOG, that is a "normal" behavior or response. It is in their REPERTOIRE to growl, bark, hump, lick, wag their tail, bite, snarl, snap. They are forms of communication, language and responses seen all the time in dog and wolf packs. I understand when people say that (growling and biting ) this is unnaceptable behavior towards humans, but to say it is not NORMAL behavior for a dog, I don't get that at all. Sorry.
eshanna.......I hope you didnt take my reply the wrong way.........I agree, it is "normal" for a dog to react that way, it is all they know from birth but it is up to the mother and the new owner to stop it and correct it b4 it becomes a problem. That is all I was saying. I have been lucky enuff to not have to deal with it.
it's ok, I wasn't directing that reply at you. I meant "some people" as a general thing. Although what prompted me to write that was a few posts up, the person that stated because his first two dogs never growled, sincehis new one does it's not normal behavior for a dog, period. I totally agree with what you wrote, I mean when my dog started growling at me, boy did I know I'd better get on it ASAP and start working, or down the line I'd have a BIG problem. And he's small! He's only 20 pounds. I have been growled at by a huge 120 pound dog, and it just makes the hair all over your body just stand straight up!
My opinion wasn't just based on our last two dogs - it also reflects the results of our discussion with a vet in the context of our pup. I know that dogs all display some form of this behaviour. But some dogs are *far* more dominant about it than others. When the original poster comes back as she did and says: "I have an update on my situation. My puppy has gone beserk. Now she is growling at me and everyone else in the family any time we stop her from doing anything unacceptable." we aren't talking about just a little jostling for position or the level of obedience training most dogs do just fine with.
yes but we also do not know how or if she took anyone's advice. for all anyone knows she could have been one of those owners who feels uncomfortable telling their dog no in a way that makes it clear to the dog that what it is doing is unacceptable. i have a very alpha dominant dog. i got him when he was 3 months old. the people who had him before me had him for a month. first dog for them and they had no clue. they did not realize that given his personality how they were treating him was only making him worse. i at that time had only dealt with pleasant dogs who could care less where they were on the ladder and myself didn't recognize the little signs until he was a little older.if i had mentioned his behavior to a vet i am sure they would have suggested euthanasia. as most reg vets are not that versed in behavior. from everything i had heard about dealing with these types of dogs i went ahead and did everything wrong. from alpha rolling to physical punishment to you name it. the day i realized that what i was doing was wrong was the day he growled at my son while he was chewing a bone. i went ahead and alph rolled him with a stern voice and he started yelping and urinating everywhere. i realized at that moment everything i had heard was wrong. so we started our training a different way. i am lucky that he has such a hard temperament that he was able to bounce back from this. a softer dog would have been ruined by me. now through training him the right way he is a completely trustworthy member of our family. he will get into little scraps with the other dogs over bones and such but now it can easily be stopped by a knock it off command from me. i truly believe that if you start out from day 1 with being consistent and firm but not harsh about what you expect from your dog yoou will be able to correct any unacceptable behaviors and prevent new ones from starting. you wouldn't allow your children to act in apprpriately why is it so hard for people to understand about dogs and so easy for them to walk away from them?
How could she have taken anybody's advice? The escalation in aggression she described took place over a two day period. Training takes longer than that. Anyway, I can see this discussion is going nowhere because we are talking about two entirely different things. I agree that dogs naturally range in behaviour from submissive to dominant. I agree that every dog should have obedience training. I'll even go so far as to agree that this dog is not right for our home (don't get too arrogant on the point - see my very first post where I already said this based on our discussion with the vet). What we don't agree on is that this aggression is 'normal' and entirely the result of the owner's behaviour as you are implying. I came here with a specific question about the buyer/breeder relationship in a case like ours. Instead I get a lecture from an armchair judgementalist telling me I shouldn't own a dog. You don't know two things about me or the history of the dogs we have had. Contrary to your last paragraph, it was not easy to make this decision. I would still encourage *anybody* who has an aggressive dog to consult a vet or animal behaviourist. Make your decision based on a consultation, with a full understanding of what it means to keep an aggressive dog. If you decide it is better to find the dog another home, do so. Ignore the better-than-thou folks who will try to put a scarlet D on your forehead after that.
i believe i did suggest to you twice that if the breeder would not take the pup back that you should contact the breed rescue for your pups breed and ask them to take it. do it now before the dog gets any older as its behavior cont. to go unchecked it will be more difficult for the next person to deal with it. you never did say what type of pup it is. if you would i could help you locate a breed rescue for it.
She is a doberman. We have already emailed a local rescue organization for them. After several more calls with the breeder today it became clear that even if we could settle on the matter of returning her she would just be turned around to the next person who paid the breeder's fee - no questions asked.
it seems that your breeder doesn't care much for or stand behind her breedings. generally good reputable breeders stand behind the pups they breed. what a shame. dobermans are fantastic dogs. 1 woman i work with used to breed and show dobes and now just has them as pets and another woman i work with bred and showed irish setters. she fell in love with patty's dog greta and got an adult and says now she will never have another breed. they are such a noble and stoic breed that just love to be with their people. much to my dismay their short coat makes my skin break out so i could never own one or i would in a heartbeat. if you live near or in new jersey i could put you in contact with patty and she could help you find a rescue to help you.