As far as those of you who call these dogs 'mutts', please learn the meaning of the word first, before using it in an inappropriate way. The word Mutt means "a mongrel dog" according to the dictionary. Mongrel (for those who don't know) means "An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed." Therefore a mutt is a dog that is of undetermined breed - meaning that it's origin is unknown, such as many of the dogs at the shelters. This concludes that a cross-breed is not a mutt because it's ancestry (origin) is known. I do understand your dis-like for the act of breeding these dogs, but I wonder what any of you get out of using the word mutt? It seems as if you are trying to make these breeders look worse by using such a damaging word, when, in reality, you are making yourself look worse because of your uneducated use of the word. Getting a kick out of, or making yourself feel superior to these breeders at the expense of these dogs is really, really, sad. You are bashing the dogs when you refer to them as mutts. The dogs are not at fault here. These dogs are in fact cross-breeds. They are not 'pure' as to a breed standard and they are not mutts. The only thing you are gaining by your redundant use of the word mutt is your own self implied image and the empathy felt by those of us who pity your intellect. I'm sure someone will come along and say "I don't care what you say - to me they are still mutts!". Again, that would be a sign of your intellect. I didn't write the meaning of the word, I'm just relaying it to you. And before any of you know-it-alls go on your bashing spree - why don't you just stop and think about what I'm saying here. You calling a cross-breed a mutt is absolutely no different than you calling a pure breed a mongrel. I'm honeslty sick of seeing the word used on this board when people are trying to make a point. Instead, why don't you make your points with some intelligence. I don't agree with the puppy millers any more than you do, but I'm not going to make my point at the expense of the dog - and more so, my intelligence. Diz
Actually that definition says mixed OR undetermined breed, not undetermined only.Hope this doesn't bring into question my intellect! Either way, it's not a biggie, I call my pure dog a mutt all the time. She's not offended. Hmmm I might refer to her as "mongrel" today too, my guess is that she'll just lick me.
Dizzy, you are right in the terminology and misuse of the word mutt, but a lot of "cross bred" dog breeders do not actually know the lineage of the parents. Unless they are registered... somewhere...they don't know the exact mix? of the parents. Good point though. I am a purebred breeder, and I don't agree with mixing breeds, but I agree that the responses in here get a little heavy at times. We should a least try to answer the questions being asked first, and then try to explain, as correctly as we can, our opinion for or against. Sorry to anyone that disagrees with this response, but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. ltlgto
Dizzy, you conveniently forget that a mutt (And mongrel) also means a dog of 'mixed breed', which is what a crossbred dog is. The definition right from the www.dictionary.com site for 'mongrel' is 1. An animal or a plant resulting from various interbreedings, especially a dog of mixed or undetermined breed. 2. A cross between different breeds, groups, or varieties, especially a mixture that is or appears to be incongruous. See that part? 'especially a dog of mixed or undeterminted breed'. So yes, that does include crossbred dogs like pomapoos and bichavons and whatever the heck up designer dog breeders have come up with. Ergo, a mongrel = a mutt = a crossbred dog. Yes, *most* purebred dogs started out as mixed breed dogs. But they've been refined over dozens (in some cases hundreds) of years to breed pure. Crossbreed dogs do not breed true. Therefore, they are mutts, mongrels, and still make absolutely wonderful pets. Just like my MUTT Bowen, who is one of the greatest dogs ever.
Dizzy: I understand your point. It isn't the term itself it is the way it is used as if a dog that is mixed is soooo undesirable. It is like using the "n" word or a slur the way some people mean it. Others use it affectionately. You will never change the thoughts of some people who use the term as a slur and reference to something highly undesirable.
Dizzy, your own copied deffinition would seem to show that any dog of more than 1 breed would qualify as a mutt. Mixed breed would be those designer dogs of various breeds. I have owned and loved many REALLY mixed breeds myself through the years. I would think that, rather than questioning the IQ of others you might want to pay attention to the vein in which the term is used. I, personally, LOVED my mutts! My husband calls our pure bred (you may view their pedigree on their site at http://pyrpups.com ) Great Pyrenees dogs mutts" as a term of affection (ie.."you goofy mutt!") As I recall you never replied to my question in another thread in which your referred to others as "Traitors" becuause of their affiliation with an organization pertaining to these various mixed breeds. I'm am confused as to just what it is you're trying to say.
Dizzy-What would you like us to call mixes? I always call my Dane a mutt, and he is AKC. Its just a word. I have always called mutts, fence jumpers- which to me means, whatever jumped the fence that day. Or I call them Heniz 57 dogs.
Diz-you need to chill. So does a few more people. I think we can all agree that there are too many unwanted dogs out there. I think we can also agree that breeding without doing your best not to pass down genetic defects is also a good thing. Breeding to make an easy buck on new "rare" breeds to a lot of suckers is contributing to the problem. I'm sure everyone agrees on that too. So why the arguments?
I understand why Dizzy is offended by it. It's because of the way it is referred to on here alot. Example, "your dog is not a designer it's just a MUTT." Or, "your cross bred dog is not anything but a MUTT." ETC. It is the way some people word it and it doesn't sound affectionate. It sounds derogatory (sp). I know it's just a word, but I can see why she is feeling this way.
Wendy, my confusion over her stance on this thread is her opposite attitude on another thread. She was calling folks who loved their "mutts" and designer dogs Traitors for joining an organization for those mixed breed dogs. Color me confused. Is owning and loving mixed breeds (by any name) to be applauded or condemed? I believe that no matter the pedigree, we can agree that we ALL love our pets and feel that each is as important and valuable as any other.
Pyrmom, Oh, I didn't know about her other thread. That IS confusing. I am speaking from my experience when I first joined this forum. I got alot of opinions about my dog. I never called him a designer or hybrid or cross bred dog though. I just said he was a Malt/pom mix. I was initiated in with some strong opinions. I am not offended anymore, I just understand how strongly some people feel about it. BUT, at first, I felt like a dog with my tail between my legs and I guess I was a little hurt and offended by my puppy being called "nothing more than a mutt" etc. You know? I am fine with it now and a little more thick skinned.
I think it all depends on the context that the word is used in. I call Ace & Summer my little mutts all of the time. But I use it affectionately. My bitter crabby uncle who visits my house sometimes calls Abby a mutt and it makes my whole family MAD. He'll be like "get this MUTT away from me" and stuff like that. My family would rather have Abby around then him anytime! Stuff like that makes me angry and I have gotten into many arguments telling him to shut up or go home. **Kris, Abby, Ace & Summer Ace: http://www.dogster.com/?41494 Abby: http://www.dogster.com/?50370 Summer: http://www.dogster.com/?7041 My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. ~Author Unknown
Oh, heck Wendy. Think about this in terms of humans. Unless your family tree has only 1 branch on it (and we ALL know what THAT means), your a "mutt". A mixture of various pedigrees. I'm a mutt (more than a bit of Viking blood, a wee bit of the Irish, some English, a drop of Scot and a good portion of German to stir the whole thing up). I am NOT a designer mix...not thought went into these mixes...just a bit of bringing together of a shrinking world. I am NOT offended when one of the students call me a cracker. I AM! I am from the south, we headed up the Cracker Trail, we built Cracker homes...it's the truth. My kids are (for SURE) mutts..Norman (Viking), German, Irish, Scot, English, Russian, Polish, Checz (sp?) on and on and on...Would I trade our heritage, not for ANY amount of money. So, why should we be so sensitive over what someone calls us or for that matter, our pets? We know them, we love them. That's enough for me. I understand the hopes of the posters in trying to get the breeders to take a look around, realize what they are doing to the various breeds when they start mixing and matching for "hybreds". I agree that there are SOOOO many potential, loving pets in need in the shelters that we (as a society) need to help stop indescriminate breeding. I also understand that urge that overtakes one and all when we fall in love with one of God's creatures and make it part of oiur family. In truth, we CAN all work together, if we try, to make one another aware of the impact the "designer" breeders are making on this world., while still accepting that those who own and love "designer mutts" love them just as much as I love my purebreds. WHEW! The bottom line here is that I asked Dizzy about the comments she made on the other thread, which was never responded to. Now there's THIS thread where she's berating folks for doing pretty much what she was doing in the other thread. Again, color me confused!
It would seem that the liklihood of that happening is slim to no chance at all. Me? I love God's critters, great and small. Call them what you may, whatever mom and dad happened to be. I feel they all deserve loving, caring, responsible owners and as much consideration as the next breed. Oh, and the broo-ha-ha over the careless postings of the teenager with the dying pups? She's young, thought she was doing a good thing, but is ignorant of the responsibilities she assumed when taking in those pups and mom. I wouldn't be angry with her (except perhaps over the poor (REALLY poor) way in which she expressed herself). Rather, she needs to be educated so she doesn't repeat the mistakes she made.