Gunny..............That is exactly what they proved. A lady took her two sons to a farm where they bred Border Collies. She wanted one for her sons, but changed her mind real fast when one of them knocked one of her sons down and pinned the other one up against a fence.
Gunny: LOL! That is funny. The Borders scare me with the high energy. Even at the vet they are herding. Owners should receive jail sentencing if they keep the Border Collie in an apartment. That is cruel and unusual punishment. LOL!
"I just saying that SOME of these dogs arent safe and SOME people dog care as much as they should i realy dont like how SOME people say that all pits are great and freindly when their not. Their should be some more info to people saying that not all pits are safe before i way bitten i though every dog would never bite but they do even a lab would. YOU CAN NEVER BE SAFE WITH ANY DOG. Or even a cat. Thier is all ways a risk with anything. So you cant keep say that all pits are great and they dont hurt anyone what would have happen if my mum had read that when i was little and got a pit and it bit me. So all i am saying is that no dogs or cats or watever are safe " This would have been a better statement to have started off with. If somebody said that every pit bull was "safe," I missed that one. I know I didn't. By all means, do not run up and pet strange dogs of any breed, you never know!What if your mum read that about a golden retriever and got one and it bit you? Or any other breed you want to insert. If your mom got a pit when you were little and raised it with love, I am willing to bet you would have a best friend in the house and not a biter! :-) But anyway, if this is how you feel now, then maybe you have learned something. There just was no good reason to point out the pit bull specifically, a great breed that is already targeted to the hilt by prejudice. Except possibly to get all this attention, as you admitted was your reason the last time you posted about them. Maybe, since you are very concerned with dog bites, you could write an article about when and when not to approach a strange dog, the body signals it will give when it wants to bite you, the way to pet a dog you've just met without intimidating it, stuf like that. Something like that could be productive and helpful to you and to others. I am not saying this sarcastically, it's an honest suggestion.
Actually, that is an excellent idea. In fact many therapist will have someone who is afraid of something by slowly involving them in that more and more. For example, like you said start out by researching and writing a paper. Next step might be to visit someone with a friendly pit, but from the other side of the fence, then pet it while it's being held on a leash, etc until the person is over their fears. They use this same thing for people who have phobia's of all sorts, flying, water, you name it. They also use it for people who are trying to get over agoraphobia (fear of going outside of their homes). It's very effective. Now, I doubt this will be taken in the manner that I am writing it, but I am totally serious and not being the least bit sarcastic. Actually, if I remember correctly it's called emersion (sp) therapy or something like that. Just thought I would try to be helpful.
Ha, I'm not actually picklephobic (I'm sure there's a scientific term for that), it was just an example. :) I can't say there's any breed that scares me right off the bat, I do know better than to approach an unfamiliar dog (or a familiar dog) in a situation that the dog will not be comfortable with. For example, I know to leave my GSD alone when he's enjoying a sun nap because if you do, he'll be a brat for the rest of the day.
I own a rottweiler and think they are wonderful dogs. If you are afraid of a dog, so be it but don't bash them because of it. Bash the irresponsible dog owners, not the breed itself. I have met some wonderful Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. These dogs are cared for and obedience trained by RESPONSIBLE dog owners.
I didn't read most of that, it was too long and stupid. APBTs are prone to dog aggression, but I've read several articles about crazy dog aggressive Border Collies and few about them attacking horses. There was one in town that bit a boy, really for no reason. The owners let the dog run loose. The dog thought it wanted to attack me, until it curred when my Boxer lunged at it. Thank God, I didn't want to be its next victim. ***I do NOT mean to be rude to anybody who has a pit bull, but I am so scared of them! It's not that those dogs are mean, it's just my fear. Ever since I was little, I was petravied of big dogs, and come on, pit bulls aren't small at all!** I don't think its rude or wrong to be scared of dogs, or more scared of a certain breed. Larger breeds can do more damage, easier and quicker and the media has brain washed a lot of people to fear certain breeds. But there is a difference then fearing them like the above and hating them. But they aren't really big dogs IMO, they're not toy dogs but they're not big. Even at their little size they can do a lot of damage if they were to attack. I think that is part of the problem with statistics and attacks, half the time an attack occurs its not even by a Pit Bull, since people don't know what a Pit Bull looks like they think its a Pit Bull that bit them. What kittysmom said really didn't prove anything, but you see a lot of post like that. First APBTs are dog aggressive, a drug dealer being irresponsible and letting their dog kill another doesn't mean Pit Bulls are a bad breed. hmmmm lets think, the drug dealer is irresponsible owner and a bad person. Dogs barking and acting crazy out of bordom, jumping over fences, barking at people thats again the owners who raised the dogs and neglect them. They're the ones who improperly raised the dog and allow them to be in a position where they can attack some one instead of putting the dog to sleep. They're probably also the same type of people who buy from bybs, thats just an assumption, but I can't see irresponsible people giving a crap where they get their dog. Just like other breeds (Dobies included as mine killed rabbits and would go after cats, but I'm responsible and didn't let her catch and kill them), Pit Bulls will kill cats. More irresponsible owners and dog just having a high prey drive and being a dog. Ironic how some one likes Dobies, a breed that was in the same position, that is still blacklisted on some insurance companies and has killed before. A breed that also seems to have very high drives to chase/kill small prey and even become dog aggressive. You just can't judge all breeds the same. And pictures don't really prove anything, like owners said it shows the dogs in their day to day activities, but it doesn't mean a dog isn't dangerous. When I went to adopt a BM, the dog was pictured with a child holding the lead. He was said to be great with kids, cats, and other dogs. In reality the foster home was too busy to do anything but let him sit in a 10x10 run and never really evaulated him. I think she does foster more to look good, she's also a breeder. When I got the dog he was grossly overweight, fearful and fear aggression begin to surface. Yes a kid could pet him or maybe hold his lead, other times he would bark/growl at people including kids. When I sent him to another foster home of which is a professional trainer and behaviorlist to be evaulated she said the other foster home must have not done anything with him at all, which I know is true. He bit a little girl, she tried to work with him, she works with problem dogs all the time and owes several dogs including Akitas, Dobies, Malinios and other varieties of Belgians. The dog would be in a kennel and lunge at people/kids when walking by. It was easy to see the other foster home had paid no attention to him, done nothing with him and his previous home of abuse and no socialization turned him into a fear aggressive, scared dog. The picture you wouldn't know it by seeing a kid walking him with another kid beside her. This isn't the only bad experience I've had with trying to adopt, or with shepherds, but I'm not here to bash one breed over the other. I'm not going to get anymore GSDs, but I'll probably get another BM as I've always like them and still do, I like them better then the GSDs. I'm sure I'll get another Dobie too. Oh yeah and I've known many GSDs to attack and several Labs and Goldens to attack, people don't seem to be afraid of these but we've had more attacks by them then any other breeds. We also have a very high Pit Bull population. Funny they were bit by A PIT BULL, but they say THESE DOGS. "Everyone seems to love thier dogs and the dogs seem to be happy. I would like to see the "fighting" line stopped. But can not see banning the "pet/show" line as they are just dogs." I'm kind of the "opposite" I like gamebred dogs better, showbred dogs are fine too. But then again its hard to differenciate between the two when you have show/pull dogs that are gamebred and dogs that are pit CHs and show CHs. Then show dogs that are just from game lines but are not actually gamebred, I gues it can get confusing.
I can’t believe it’s another Anti-Pitbull thread… this is getting beyond ridiculous. First of all I would like to say that I am no pitfighter, and I do not approve of the cruel sport. Now onto the subject of pitbulls being viscious killing machines, I find this the furthest from the truth than anything else I have ever heard. Our previous dog was a chihuaha, it had a beautiful personality, it was very intelligent and “convenient” ie. No yard damage and very tiny poops.. However I will say that this is the only dog of the three that I did not trust enough to put close to my face. This was originally my mothers dog, as she was after something “small and cute”. When I got to the age where I thought I would be responsible enough to look after my own dog, I bought a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (Note: this is not an AmStaff). This took quite a lot of convincing for me to be allowed to purchase one of these as an addition to the family home. Since bringing this dog home we have experienced many things that we did not with the Chi.. these include continuous yard destruction (teething pup :P ), much larger poops, but most of all we have found something we never though we could have in a dog, that is an almost human-like personality. This is definetly the most loving, sweet and funny dog that we have ever had the pleasure of owning, it is a true member of the family. We have NEVER been in fear of getting bitten, nor have we had any problems with the Staffy getting along with the sometimes aggressive Chi.. Also, I might add that the “Staffy” has been labelled by many as the “Nanny Dog” due to it’s disposition and suitability for children, and is the only dog to have the words “totally reliable” in it’s breed standard. Since owning the Staffy, our interest towards larger breeds and in particular the fighting breeds has grown tremendously, mainly due to the FACT that they are extremely loyal and human friendly (useless guard dogs) and because they are probably the most versatile group of dogs on the planet. This interest has prompted us to introduce another dog to the family, nothing less than a fine Red-nose APBT.. this dog is simply the most stunning creature to look at, with it’s beautiful red coat, matching nose and striking eyes. Since owning the APBT, the opinions of all those “pitbull haters” that live in our neighbourhood have changed to the opposite and many of them are now true supporters of this hugely misunderstood animal. Mack the pitbull comes with us everywhere we go, more so than the staff as he seemed to take to obedience training much better and he is an absolute pleasure to own. Those who may think Mack is not a true pitbull ie. Not gamebred, etc… couldn’t be further from the truth.. when picking Mack up from the breeder we were presented with photos to show the breeding and the “tie” that took place for Mack’s litter, the photo’s showed Mack’s Sire and the actual breeding which required the Dam to be tied to a barrel to stop her ripping into the stud.. however we also saw the breeder who was sitting on the floor, face-to-face with the aggrivated bitch to comfort her. We were quite taken back by the picture as it did appear to be quite a threatening position to be in, however the breeder said to us that he has never feared his dogs and that there is absolutely no way they would ever bite him, nor would they ever bite another human. We knew he was telling the truth, as about 4 weeks earlier we visited the breeder for the first time to select our pup from the litter, upon knocking on the door we were told to go through the side gate. We were able to walk straight through the side of the house, into the backyard and even pick up some of the 4 week old pups from right under the females nose… Do you think we heard even ONE growl?? NO… instead, we were greeted with wagging tails and a couple of cries from the mother who was seeking some attention for doing such a fine job.. Had this been the yard of another breed, take the Chihuaha for example, I’d say we would have been leaving with some sore ankles… Over the past 3 years of Mack’s (APBT) life, and the past 5 years of Spike (SBT), we are yet to experience anything but absolute loyalty, reliability and totally affectionate, loving dogs who are a true pleasure to own and should be considered role models in the dog world. Our relatives have also taken a liking to the APBT and have since purchased a female Jeep/Reid pup. This comes after having to suffer the sad loss of their beloved Black/White Border Collie who at 7 years of age developed some personality problems and bit my uncle in his back for no apparent reason, continued threats of aggressive behaviour forced them to have the pet destroyed. When they consulted me for some info on a suitable replacement, that would grow to be a RELIABLE pet that they could enjoy for years to come, I could only do them the biggest favour possible and recommend an APBT. Needless to say, they have never looked back. Whenever I hear crap and uneducated talk of pitbull visciousness and their man-eating personalities I need only take a look at the two, four-legged members of our family (the Chi has since passed away) to realise the absurdity in this nonsense. If these same standards were applied to “grouping” and “categorising” of the different races of humans, would a crime committed by a person of race “A” mean that all people of that same race should be punished? Even more so, should you be punished for crimes that your parents/grandparents or anyone in your family tree commited? Afterall, these are the ignorant arguments pitbull haters are using to tarnish the reputation of a breed with more history than almost any other breed alive today, a breed that is more versatile than almost any other canine, a breed which has been bred for loyalty and devotion to it’s master and family… perhaps it is just an opportunity for the “lesser” members of our society to let their true ignorance shine… either way, APBT owners worldwide know the truth, seeking acceptance from ignorant racists may prove to be difficult but why bother? Put the effort back into your dogs and give them the affection they deserve. Peter, Australia.
sorry Allie, I just realised... I was actually searching on Google for some on pits and a link to this page came up. After reading the first post I couldn't help but post a reply... I checked the date of the last post a little too late
On this post I went from page Page #1 right to Page#6. This is total B.S. I'm so sick of this crap. I'm so tired of defending my dogs and having them abused. I'm sick and tired trying to form a strategy to defend them from possible breed specific laws, and from people that are not educated and informed. This Pet Forum has become so tiresome. There is a lot of genuine lovers of dogs, but the few that come with a biased opinion of certain things of which they know nothing about, leave me weary.
YOU are so stupid, pathetic and worthless. Why must you ALWAYS try and get a rise out of people? You obviously haven't done too much research on the breed. You read all of these stereotypical articles about them supposedly attacking people. Never once have I seen one good article in the news about APBT's. Look at shinyblackpit's pictures and tell me they're "viscious, dangerous, killing machines" You've wasted everyones time with your childish posts, it's getting very annoying. I wish you'd sign off and never come back. This forum would be so much better without you. and to everyone else, Have a nice day. :)
Whoa Heffanator! Why so vicious? This post is beyond OLD! We've been through this and are done with it...and i know there's been recent drama with BCB, but i think she's come to her senses...although only time will tell...but I think we should give her a chance.