Well, if I am wrong then I admit I am wrong. But I am not sure what to think right now. I need some serious suggestions and real answers. This will be long, sorry. But have to give the details to get real answers. I have mentioned that we had been having a problem with Molly getting out of the fence (We have something to fix this problem but was not going to be able to use it until this evening). I have to admit I wasn't sure how to "discipline" for such an act but had been using the grab the scruff, give a firm "shake" and give a firm NO etc.... The last time she got out she ran directly under the couch to hide and I let her go since I figured she knew she had been bad. Well, she did it this afternoon and when I got her back home she ran under the couch. I lifted the couch up and scooted her out...needless to say we played tag for 5 minutes by then I was furious. I was practically screaming at her like a mad person demanding in a deep voice that she come to me. She ran under something else and when I went to grab her she full out attacked me. My hands were bleeding and she hit a couple nerves. I have been shaking and crying for 45 minutes. I am so incredibly upset. She has not shown this type of aggression ever. Maybe snap a time or two at the other dogs but nothing compared to this and she attacked ME who sleeps with her, feeds her, spoiols her...etc... Honestly, I am so angry I just want to take her to the pound...then I am so in love with her I couldn't do it. What do I do??? Had it been one of my children I would have creamed her!! I wish I could express how nasty she was!! Snarling, growling, and biting!!?? What the heck. As I said if I am wrong then I admit it...there was someone who says they do grooming and they haven't seen a puggle yet that was friendly. I found that hard to believe knowing Molly's personality, but I guess I saw a side of her that is undesirable. I am so bummed. How do I deal with this? Please no sarcasm or dogging her. I don't think I could take it. Just some real suggestions please.
First you need to relax and take a deep breath! Don't do anything hasty. When she goes under the couch why do you feel that she needs to be out? Just a suggestion but if she knows she is in trouble and is giving herself a timeout then leave her there until she is ready to come out. When she does just ignore her for a while and then call her over and she will know all is okay. There is something I posted on this site a couple of days ago so I will bump it up and I suggest that you copy and paste it so you can read when you have time. Give it more time. Work with her. Put her on a leash if you need to. How are your hands? I hope all is okay.
My hands are pretty tore up. The only reason I wanted to get her out of the couch tonight was because she has not learned a darn thing about running away and thought maybe I should let her know I was no longer going to tolerate it and that I was upset. I suppose I felt I should show some dominance myself with her and not let her think she had control of this. I usually do exactly what you said to do, ignore her, then all is well, but I guess I just snapped and decided enough was enough!!
I agree Aisha, she seems to know that she was in trouble by hiding under the couch. By trying to chase her down to discipline her, she probably got scared of you and it was a fear bite. Like Aisha said, give her some time to come out, and when she does, do not discipline her then. It is to late. I hope your hands are ok. Relax, and calm down. It is ver easy to really hurt a pet when you're very angry. LTLGTO
I am not sure what I would do in that situation either. First off, though, I would wait until you've calmed down so that you can think rationally. Since Molly's never shown this type of aggression maybe she did it because she was afraid of you, since you were screaming and chasing her. That is the only thing I can think of as to why she would attack you. Has she been back to herself since it happened? I am sorry I do not have more advice but I am sure others will. Good Luck with her =0) **Kris, abby, ace & summer
She is ok, that's for sure. Once I had ahold of her I only held her by the scruff and clamped her snout together. Then I put her in her crate, which bothers me too because I didn't want to use that as discipline. But I was so frantic and upset I wasn't thinking. She has laid in there very quietly for the last hour. Eveyone here is so upset too. What a night. Funny thing is I wasn't trying to get her to hit her or anything. I wanted to hold her and tell her bad dog etc.....sheesh she went looney on me. I guess my persistence in trying to get her freaked her out. Now I wonder if in her other home she was hit alot and just expected it?? I don't know. I am starting to calm down. I keep crying because I don't want to be mad at her but my damn fingers and hands are throbbing, lol, and I am still angry!! Man...those puppy teeth are killers. I think I would have rather had Rocky's big ones bite me! Alright, I am starting to calm down. I just pray this is a one time incident. It is still breaking my heart thinking about it.
MyPoundPuggle, is Molly your puggle? If so I wanted to let you know that my beagle does the same thing. Its like she feels safe under the sofa. I can't tell you how many times she has attacked me when she's hiding under there. My hands are always ripped to shreds from this. I don't know what to do about it. I have learned that I don't stick my hands under the sofa anymore. I always pull the sofa out a little bit and flip it over and grab her. I would love to hear advice from other people also.
MyPoundPuggle...........I am sure you wished at the time that your Puggle was in the pound. I am not judging you or trying to make you feel worse about yourself than you already do. I thought a lot of times when my children were growing up that if I had the tendency to be a child abuser I would be. So, I never punished them when I was real angry. The same things apply here. Ask yourself what you would have done if cornered like that. I would have done what your dog did. You slipped up that is all. Calm down and prepare yourself what you will do the next time that happens.
When the dog comes home you get mad. That's what me neighbor does when their dog comes home after running off. The dog however does not associate running away as being the bad thing, it views coming home as being the bad thing. It does not understand that it is in trouble for leaving, it thinks it is in trouble for coming back and this confuses it even further. I would advise that you do not try to discipline your dog when he comes home. From what you have written, it seems he understands that he is in trouble, but he most likely does not know it is because he ran off. Your dog is part beagle I presume…? Beagles like to run. It is their instinct. From what I have learned, a dog that instinctively escapes confinement or runs away from home cannot be taught NOT to escape confinement or roam through means of active discipline. If your dog is running away from home instinctively, I do not know how to keep him from running away other than to just build better confinement. From now on, try to not lose your temper when he comes back home and hides. Your actions most likely frightened and confused him to the point where he finally attacked you for self-defense. ~Seij
there were times i wanted to give my lab away, too. we're only human! don't beat yourself up over feeling like that. i think her biting was fear biting, too. to her you were out of control and she was very afraid and trying to defend herself. putting her in the crate was actually a good thing because it gave you a chance to calm down and for her to not get in any trouble. discipline after the fact is really not understood by dogs, and this really is a perfect example. but, we've all done this, i know i have! just if you are really mad put her in her crate or leave the room to calm down. by then it will be to late to correct them, but at least you are calm. one technique i learned to do instead of the tag all around the house (only worked in the house for me) is to tell my lab "sit." then i move toward her. as soon as she starts to move i stop. when she stops i start to move toward her, and on and on. now it's not immediate that i get up to her, but after some of me stopping and starting according to her she will just stand there with her low tail wag that says "OK you win" and i can grab her collar.
You know there are some really good points here. This is what I am taking out of them: She probably doesn't realize she's being punished for running away. Do your best to fix whatever it is that's allowing her to escape. If you can't do that you will have to be with her whenever she goes outside. She was probably scared and feeling cornered and that's why she bit. I wouldn't think it is something you would have to be afraid of on a regular basis. Don't go after her when she's hiding under the couch or whatever. It is a possibility that she was abused before. I believe Rusty was previously abused. It took a long, long time before I could raise my hand to pet him without him flinching. He had to learn that my hand was not something to associated with abuse. If you have the need to discipline her in the future don't chase her because she may associate this with prior abuse also. Don't give up, how long have you had her? Are your hands ok? I'm assuming all her shots are up to date?
ok....parents showed up out of the blue...my eyes all swollen from crying...they now think I am officially a basket case!! lol Thanks guys...I knew if I got a variety of good answers I could sort out what I did wrong and what to do next time. I am going to let her out of her crate and spend some time with her. I am sure she has to potty and she isn't making a sound so I will go get her. My hands hurt! :0( But I am a big girl. I know she has the beagle instict that has been evident since she got here and I guess the whole thing of them thinking she is being punished for going back home never dawned on me. But the more I think about it I think others have had this conversation. It makes sense. I guess I should just admit it has been a horrible horrible day and tomorrow will be better. My eyes are still swollen and burning from crying. So I am off for the night. Please continue to respond I definately will hear everyone out. I will be back tomorrow. Got go hug my baby and hope all goes better.
Many dogs bite when cornered, its also instinct. She probably never saw you that angry and was very afraid. I know it's difficult to control your emotion, especially when faced with the prospect of not finding her, but you can only correct a dog in the act of doing something wrong. I'm sure he had no idea why you were chasing her and just sensed your anger and was really afraid. Take a deep breath. Wash your hand really well and use some antiseptic on the puntures ASAP. She's not a bad dog and you are not a bad mommy. It's just one of those things that will pass. Hope you feel better.
first of all, those folks that said that your timing is off and that she is getting punished for returning are exactly right. another thing to think about, yes dogs are and can be frustrating but any correction HAS to be done with a clear and calm head. Emotion should not be involved. If in the course of training I feel myself even starting to get frustrated (emotional) at all, we stop the session put the dog away and worry about teaching it the lesson later. not running away is somthing that can be corrected with training but it must be positivly trianed. i don't mean that you can't use some sort of a correction but waiting for her to get out on her own in a situation that you can't control will never get it done. lots of ways to do this, put an electronic collar on her and only let her out when you are watching. when she tries to get under the fence stimulate her with it. now the fence, and her action become connected with getting shocked and you are not even part of the equation. if you want to add some control to it a sharp no at the exact time that you shock her will start connecting the 2. later on your "no" will have a lot more power then it does now. teach her here, so instead of you chasing her you say the command and she comes right back. then you are in a position of praising her for doing right (coming to you) instead of trying to punish her for something that is already long gone out of her mind. dogs understand the here and now. 5 minutes ago might as well be a month ago.
Maybe she expressed aggression the same way you did towards her. Maybe she felt threatened because you in her mind was exhibiting aggression and anger. She cannot talk so she expressed her anxiety at your perceived aggression by biting back or nipping or whatever ways dogs communicate angst. If someone was running after me chasing me, I would fight back to. It is possible you were as out of character to her as she was to you? Animals I think sense emotions. Some disagree. I think they sense fear, anger, anxiety, sadness etc. Perhaps she even felt provoked. Interesting.
i didn't read thru all the answers so if i am repeato girl i am sorry. unfortunately, molly's reaction does not appear abnormal to me. you said yourself that you were running around like a mad woman and screaming at her. to her, you were acting aggressively towards her. she tried everyway possible to avoid you but you didn't relent. she was left with no alternative but to attack. i really do not believe that she runs under the couch after she runs away, or digs under the fence, because she knows she did wrong. do you remember the post on here about the dog and the shoe ? this is the same. what it appears to us is not what it is to the dog. i am very sorry you got hurt, and i understand your angriness and feelings. but i would have done the same had i been molly.
i KNOW IT MAY SEEM HARD, but don't yell at her, it won't teach her anything. Don't ever hit your dog either it will just teach her to be afraid of you. She attacked you only because your dog must have felt threatened so all it was doing was protecting itself.
popped in for a minute before heading to bed. Here's the thing that was going through my mind in all the comotion. I kept thinking she tends to be the "alpha" dog and for her to not stop when told to stop means she knew she didn't have to listen and as it went on, well, I am only human and it made me angry. So, yes, I sure did yell. Trust me though, I am not one to hit so I guess in the heat of things I couldn't understand why she got so nasty. I haven't been beating her for god's sake!! It's not like she has ever been treated bad. She already knew something was wrong. Wierd. I truly was angry and you are right, those of you who said it, I am sure she sensed it! Let me add also that my anger wasn't just anger. It was twisted with fear that when they get out they could be hit or taken. I am really protective of my kids and my dogs. So emotions were running high. Ok...well, she has been kissing my hands and slouching around like she is trying to say sorry. I just held her and hugged her while teary eyed. Earlier I just kept thinking what if it had been one of my kids? But I am betting on this not happening again. I guess us humans and dogs learn and grow together.