I know I should not get in this but I want to say something that Aisha didn't explain that will maybe help some understand. Aisha, I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I don't think it matters now. When this mammabayer person came on the board the very first day and started posting so that it was obvious who she was Aisha emailed me and she was scared for her children and herself. This is what she said to me, not direct quotes, but basic: Gina, OMG, read this post. I am so scared. This person might be a stalker. What if she is following my kids or me or my dog? How on earth would she know about this forum all the sudden after something happens? How could she possibly know I was here. She was scared and you must admit it's pretty odd that this person showed up here when she never knew who Aisha was. I mean really. We know Aisha is her dog's name so how would she have found out? I can't answer this and can't even think of a logical answer. In mammabayer's post she said the authorities made her fix up the fence, etc. so that the dogs could not get to the kids on the playground. If nothing was wrong they would not have done that. I would have been scared too. If that person lets her dogs, whatever they are, torment the kids at school and throws them at each other to get them worked up, and someone over there is yelling obscenities at grade school kids, then found out I was the one who approached the principal to make sure my kids were safe....then showed up here and made it clear she knew who I was, and there should have been no way this could happen. Well, I would be scared too. Anyway, please please keep in mind that she was trying to protect her family. Instead of getting angry how about this. I have been unable to figure this out all this time. How could this person (and we know it really was here, too much info plus pics) track someone down and find them on this forum? It just seems like too big of a coincidence, plus I don't think she's been back. It seemed more like a warning to me. Without actually being able to track her computer how could she all the sudden know where Aisha was? And who she was? When she first made the original post she was asking for our help on what to do about this situation with the school. No names were ever said, she didn't even know this person's name. She never confronted her, only the principal. So lets say worst case the principal told her who it was (which I would think not, but...) it still doesn't explain how that person could have tracked her to here. That is what I want to know.
"You have a huge chip on your shoulder. And if you really want to try to convince people that these dogs are sweet then try acting that way yourself. Why would you even show us the link that shows exactly how many places these dogs are banned? " Thanks but I do not have a huge chip on my shoulder I just happen to not like liars. And I do not have to act sweet to try to convince anyone my dogs are sweet but thanks for caring. Why would I post links that show where Pit Bulls are banned? If you knew anything at all about Pit Bulls you would know it's very important to know about BSL *Breed Specific Legislation* because it directly effects Pit Bulls as a breed as and owners and potential owners should be aware. And if you must know that website page I listed is actually from a very respected APBT rescue. I honestly asked you the questions about your kids school because I was curious as to what happen not because I wanted to start anything with you. I did not beg you for any info. As far as the lie you told to the cover the truth...It was far from any little white lie. In fact I have a copy of your exact message and I would be more than happy to post it if you like. You never said hahaha as if it were a joke. You even said tears are streaming down my face as I write this. So please stop telling more lies. To be honest I couldn't care less if you like me or not or anyone else for that matter. All I know is you told huge lies and now that you have been caught you are still telling lies.
I don't know what was said since the message was deleted, but I think it was deleted because of everyone getting mad at each other, it was getting pretty hot. At least that is my guess. But I really don't want my question to get lost in here, because I honestly want to know how this person could have done this. I know many of you are much better with computer stuff than I am and I would really like to know what y'all think.
GinaH, At the end of the post i wrote LOAD OF CRAP! Did you miss that? You did start off by sounding concerned but everyone went back to edit the whole post except for you! So, I thank you for your concern, and I thank you for bringing it all up again when I went out of my way to avoid it all. I thank you for mentioning the name in this post, and I thank you for being so polite. I hope that your son has a great time at the dance tonight. I hope that seriously I am not kidding. As far as the chip on your shoulder, how do you sleep at night? does it not get in the way? Gina, (lady's mom) I thank you. But obviously people do not care about children as much as they do about defending their breed of choice. These people take it to heart and that's great. Everyone has an issue that they feel strongly about, mine is the safety of my children. GINAH- how about we try to avoid one another from now on until one of us can be mature and let it go?.
Yes you guys, it's like Gina said. What a freakish thing to have that person all of a sudden show up on TP. Aisha was afraid because they obviously live in the same town, and run in the same circles. Maybe Aisha even felt badly after the fact about it. Any one of you in that situation would try to down play the whole thing and forget it also. I missed out on some of that whole scenario, but Aisha would not make up a bunch of stories just to jerk everyone around. I saw the posts that day when someone kept asking her what ever happened with the pitbulls and the school. I knew all about it and they kept bugging her insisting that she tell them. She tried nicely to change the subject, but no one would take that for an answer. I would suggest from now on if someone doesn't want to answer your questions, then let it go. There was a good reason for her not answering.
"But you have to go out of your way every single time to make sure that you defend these dogs. If you truly believe that they are harmless the less you say would strenghen your case." Are you kidding? Of course I am going to defend "these" dogs as you so eloquently put it. Show me one Pit Bull lover who just stands back and says nothing when the breed they love is being bashed? You know nothing about me or my dogs so do not pretend that you do. I assure you I do not need any advice from you.
I just hope to god that you stand up for your children as you do with your breed of dog. No one is specifically coming on and saying GinaH, your dog sucks, your dog is ugle and your dog is mean. I certainly did not. People have issues with Aisha's breed and I let it go because I know my own personal dog and how she is treated. But if you think that dog fights are okay then go ahead and support this person all you want. If you think that it is okay for these people to threaten school aged children then hey, whatever and if you think that these people have every right to sit there and swear at each other in front of kids then boy you have some personal issues to deal with rather then defending your dog.
I also got an email from Aisha that night after the post. She was afraid-the person seemed to know things that she couldn't have possibly known unless she knew Aisha (again, of course that is just her dog's name-not her real name). I read the post before anything was deleted. I'm sure it was deleted to keep from bringing the topic up once again and started a huge debate on it. A question was asked-she answered but on the condition that after a few minutes her posts would be deleted as to not cause further arguements. On this board, it seems that there is an agruement in every post. I don't blame her for wanting to delete it. At least she answered the damn thing, instead of just ignoring it or not wanting to talk about it. I would have done the same thing-posted it just long enough for the person that asked the question to get her (or his) answer. If she wanted it to be public should would have posted an entirely new thread herself to inform everyone of what was going. She did not do that so "YOU" (using you as for the general bashers) are the ones that brought it back up, "YOU" are the ones that made her cover her own ass and feel as thougth she needed to lie, "YOU" are the people that opened this up and "YOU" are the ones that made this into a bigger deal than it needed to be. If you had just left well enough alone, but it seems that is something that "we" here on the forum struggle to do. I'm not trying to single out anyone because personally I like everyone here, but sometimes a few of you can turn on others and make a big deal out of something that should have been left alone. And sometimes arguements are started for no reason. We all try to push information out of others and try to get into everyone elses business a little too much. I am even hesitant to post sometimes-because of the "fighting" that usually goes on in this forum. I enjoy it here and I am glad for the friends I have made here...Aisha is one of them. She did nothing wrong, she tried to protect her family and got bashed a little on her first post on the subject. She was accused of taking action only because of the breed that was involved. That was not the case. Had it been any breed of dog that was bigger or as big as my child I would have taken action as well (as I'm sure all of you would have done because the life of your children is the most important thing to you-and for those of you without children: your dogs are like your children...picture walking your pup/dog in front of a yard with two bigger dogs barking and jumping up on a 4 ft. fence-you'd be a little afraid those dogs would jump over the fence and harm your pups-wouldn't you?). I for one would take some action to make sure my "family" was safe. Scare tactics would have to be used of course (threatening to go to the media about it). That would get my ass moving into action to do something if I were the people with the dogs. And then posting here and being verbally "attacked" for acting with her motherly instincts...I too would have lied to get some of you off my back. Put youselves in her shoes for one moment...picture your kids (or pups/dogs) in her kids place....all she wanted was for it be safer for her kids to go to school...i.e. a taller fence! So let it go and lay off of her for protecting the people she cares about the most-her family! I know that I am taking a huge risk in getting in the middle of this now: but again, I'm not trying to single anyone out...and I don't want to cause any further aguement-I just wanted to try and shine a little light onto the situation and maybe open your eyes to her point and such a little.
Ok, one more time. I am leaving to go to the vet and I really would like someone to try and explain to me how this could have happened. We all know how everyone feels about what happened and rehashing it is just going to cause more arguements. Please will someone respond to my questions. Be back soon.
I am not going for the mother of the year award what is wrong with you? Being a proactive parent is wrong? They are not old enough to make choices on their own. They see a dog, any dog they do not know to be afraid. Second of all go ahead and post. I did put that at the end and what would it take for you to leave that out. I am no computer wizard but I do know how to push the delete button. I could turn around and past that and edit it myself. As far as you pasting it and saving it, well there you go.
Aisha I read mommabayers response and her story was much much different from yours. And did you not claim to have gotten your info from a neighbor of mommabayer? So really all of your claims could be false. As far as my children go DO NOT GO THERE. They are loved and cared for and do not want or need for anything. My parenting skills should not even be brought into question.
Second of all go ahead and post. I did put that at the end and what would it take for you to leave that out. I am no computer wizard but I do know how to push the delete button. I could turn around and past that and edit it myself. ------------------------------------------------- Oh I assure you I have not altered your Tall tale in any way. I am not the sort of person to fabricate lies to make myself look better.
exactly GinaH, and neither should mine. It was not only one person who I got this information from. If you really need to know. I did not go into any further then that on that original post because I just wanted it dropped. I saw how on the defense everyone was going and then when the owner of that dog came on I just backed away totally. The police interviewed many people before going there. I did not get involved with the police or the media. As I have stated my issue was originally with the school board for not taking actions on protecting some 400 children like they should of been. So, take this personal if you'd like. The way your going it sounds like you are Mommabayer. Are you?
Again, this is ridiculous. We all agreed to delete our post so nothing would start, but you same people have made it an issue and now you are calling someone a liar. Looks like the same people stirring more crap. Sorry Aisha. I feel bad. As I said before, and was told to STFU, I was the one who said to make silly post and we were just being silly. GinaH....why are making this so difficult for her. You read the repsonses. No one was hiding anything....just avoiding trouble. You were the only one who wouldn't delete yours, and you even said "who ould freak out" so I am beginning to agree that you are trying to start something right along the the three amigos. Sorry if I am wrong, but that's how it looks. I dont' want to argue with anyone, just feel something is wierd here.
poundpuggle: I am so sorry that you got involved with all of this. I tried sending you a message on dogster expressing that yesterday not sure if you got it. What people have said to you and others was uncalled for, and I wish i had just stuck with my instict to ignore the question from the start. I am still not sure if it was a question out of concern or not, but whatever the case may be, it has gone far enough. It was dropped yesterday but people had to go dig it back up to start trouble. I am taking mls's motto on this once again WHATEVER!
Oh yes indeed I am mommabayer...lol...Give me a break! Like I would have that much info. In fact I assumed you were mommabayer just trying to make your story a big hit! You really need to stop trying to make me the bad guy. The only thing I did was innocently ask you a question. The rest is completely out of my control. I had no ill feelings towards you when I posted my question. I truly wondered what had happened. I had no idea your posts on the matter had been deleted or anything at all about mommabayer until you pointed it out to me.
I'm really glad that Aisha came on here to tell her side of the story because I did not know what was going on at all when I read this thread. I wasn't taking sides, I just wanted to know what everyone was talking about. The way I see it, Aisha was just trying to protect her children, and the owner of the dogs that she was trying to protect them against happened to come on this board. Out of all honesty, I would probably lie as well. It's not quite the same, but a long time back, like a year ago, I came on here looking for mastiff puppies. There were some in my state and I wanted to see them. I contacted the owner and went to see them. They were living in deplorable conditions. I called the humane society. The owner was so upset with me he started emailing me and yelling at me. It was a scary thing to me to know that this person knew where I lived and what my email was. I didn't know if he was crazy, or would come after me. For Aisha, that could have happened to. She really was concerned, but having the owner find out probably scared her even more because you never know what people are capable of doing. When the owner of those dogs came on here, she could have been really mean and harrassed Aisha on this board, as well as in her city because she could easily find out where she lived. Is that what you were scared of Aisha? If I had complained about someone's dogs, I wouldn't want them to know it was me either. I don't think anyone would. Especially if it were a situation where they could contact you (via the internet, email or even in your home city). But that's just my take on everything. Aisha, I hope you get everything worked out, and I hope everyone can kind of step aside and look at the situation as if it happened to them. It's like that whole walking in someone else's shoes thing. You never really know the whole story until you have walked in their shoes. And I don't think any of us know the entire story because we are not a part of it, we are just observers. I hope everyone can put this behind them because we have a great bunch of people on here. I love the advice of stormy, gina and Aisha and would hate for this to cause enough friction to make any of them feel unwelcome. Let's all talk about pets ya'll :)