Ok here's the deal .I baught a 2 year old Mini Shnauzer about 4 weeks ago and noticed she drank a lot of water the 2nd day I got her (8litres)so I took her to the vet to get blood work done but everything came back great. The problem ended up being she was replacing her food with water so I started hand feeding her and got her use to the food and she came along great but the thing is she doesn't like to eat until around 8 or 9pm and then come 4am she starts barking to get outside. She won't eat in the morning because she is only interested in having a major drink of water so then she is full. We even take the dog's out at night and watch that they aren't drinking any water before bed . We cut the water off at 8pm and she can't get through the night sometimes peeing in her bed.It is really starting to frustrate us not to mention the messes in the house we have been having .She was braught up in a kennel since she was 6 weeks old. We have been pretty good with her and put her out every 1/2 hour but it has been raining here for about 4 days and will be for another 4 days and if I keep her blocked on the deck thinking she won't be getting any water I look out and there she is licking the deck!!!I really need some advice on what I should do or how I should be going about training an older dog. Please help!!!
Definitely stop coddling her. You set the schedule! In the morning cut the water out...don't give her the water until she's eaten. Once you get her on a more definite schedule that suits your needs, she should do just fine.
present food when you want her to eat. give her 15-20 minutes. if she does not eat fine, wait until the next day at your scheduled time and present food again. a healthy dog will not starve itself to death. if she is not eating but she is healthy, she is simply not hungry right then. if you feed once a day, at the same time every day you will soon have a chow hound on your hands. and if water is the issue, make sure that she does not have access to water for several hours before presenting food. I feed wet all the time to all my dogs so that is something that you might think about as well. i put the dogs ration of dry kibble in the feeding pan then put water on it just until the level of the water is just short of the food. then i give it to the dog. I use hot water when it is cold outside and cold water when it is hot. i feed once a day for all adult dogs except when it is really cold and twice a day for 8 week and older puppies until they either start getting fat or stop eating the morning meal on their own. usually 6-8 months old. I also vary the type of food that i offer to match the dogs condition and activity level. if it is warm outside, and the dogs are not running much and they are in good condition i feed a normal adult ration. as it gets colder (the dogs are outside a lot) and i run them more or they are getting thin i feed a performance ration. it they are getting 4-5 cups a day of performance and are still loosing condition then i start to add a pork fat supplement to the meals. you have to adjust your feeding program to fit the individual dog and the current conditions. it is a dynamic thing, changing often to meet their current and individual needs.
the water thing might be a problem but there is a often a big varience between dogs. most of my shorhairs are fairly "normal" i would say but i do have a couple that are huge water drinkers. my vizsla is just the oppisit, in fact it bothers me how little she drinks. she runs just as much as the shorhairs
I would get a second opinion on the water issue too. Please get more blood work done to rule out diabetes etc. She however might not be used to getting water available at all times like she should have been. You said she was raised in a kennel. More than likely a puppymill where they do not get the best of care. She might be actually craving it if she wasn't used to having water at all times. The 8 or 9Pm is more than likely her normal feeding schedule. I agree with the advice on you getting her on your schedule. Good luck!
Koda was the same way, in the morning all he wanted was a ton of water, he would just drink until he threw up.....every morning. What we started doing was giving him only portioned water. He was a 90 pound dog so he got like 2-3 cups of water, enough for me to know he was getting enough water. I would do this three to four times a day, for about a week and he got fed, just like mentioned above. Offered in the morning, if he ate it great, if he didn't touch it in half an hour it got picked up until night(5:30pm)usually by then he was hungry but if he didn't touch it within half an hour, up it went. Another thing we noticed was he was unusually thirsty because of the dog food we had. We switched to Royal Canin Holstic all natural Large Breed formula. And he did really good on that. Hope this helps! Good Luck!
Thanks guy's .I do want to mention that i did get her blood checked out for Diabetes and it came back negative. THis morning after her going out to pee at 12am she woke at 5am and when I got down here she had peed her bed and that is not having water since 8pm . I let her out and she was like a mad woman looking for water and like I said there is a ton of it around because of all the rain we are having. I changed her over to a Medical dog food from my Vet. which all three dog's love now it is just a matter of getting her use to eating when I want her to . I felt so bad for her this morning because of the way she was going around looking for the water I ended up giving her about a cup and she lapped that up like it was nothing . She weighs 13 lbs . I think I will give her a week and get her on this new food and schedual and if things don't change off we go again for more test's. Thanks again
Poor thing let her have all the water she wants. Put yourself in her paws. I use water bottles on the side of crates. If I give a dog a bucket that has only drunk from these, it does tend to over water itself. A water bottle will regulate the water while letting the beast have all that it wants...much more sanitary too. Did you ask the breeder how the animal was watered before you began accusing her of mishandling the beast? My dogs, regardless of age all go for their water after they have their dinner. If the beast is fed...then given no water...how does it feel, I would be frantic...if I had no water at the exact time that I craved it. Call your breeder and w/o sounding like a lawsuit ready to happen, see what she thinks. I love to drink water. Keeping WATER AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES is on most animal health lists. Crate the beast and figure out a good time to "empty" the dog.It is not always your convienience that determines this. You must gradually swing it your way. Most kennels are early morning & before sundown schedules. Are you?
Re-reading your letter. You are treating her like a human bedwetter. Sweet. She is a dog. Don't put something in the crate that absorbs water. Use a small enough crate. Put a towel on it to deal w/ her after she makes wet. Let her stew in her juices just a bit to teach her that to pee is uncomfortable. Like a human bedwetter...don't make a huge issue of it. If the pee is all in the crate, wipe dog and crate off and return them to each other's company. Don't give dog liberty every time it pees in crate. It thinks that peeing has it's own rewards. The poor animal is not crate trained. Think like a dog. Hmmm...I'm in this small space. Oh, it's so wet. I have a submissive urinator that is trying to reform and it was so funny to see her turn around and check to see if she made a puddle...she finally figured out that the water came from her!
One other angle to look at on the peeing in her crate.....if she was raised in a kennel/crate, perhaps her living conditions were not that good hefore you bought her. Meaning they were used to laying in pee & poo. Just a thought? I myself drink lots of water too & would panic if I didn't have water available to me. Sounds like you'll just need to keep on working on schedule until it is agreeable with yours. Good luck! It'll get better! :) Rhonda
kittysmom, the history of this is that this little miniature schnauzer was drinking 8 liters of water at a time. medically that will dilute electrolyes in the system, and other needed substances to a level that could cause serious medical problems, including death. in humans this is called water intoxication and it is a psych disorder that does cause death. she can't have unlimited water because she would drink herself sick. i don't know in dogs if this a hormonally caused thing or a physical brain thing or what, but this little pup has a medical problem.