this is a simple question. not to start anything but just to find out why when i say i work my dogs in personal protection,9 times out of 10 people say im fighting dogs or making them aggressive. this post comes about because i posted pics of my dogs working,doing bite work, on dogster and they were removed as being inappropriate. do people realize that competitive personal protection is a legitimate sport, with sponsors and shows in michigan, texas maine massachusettes, and those are just the ones i know of off hand. k9 pro sports is just that a sport. i only work dogs that show the right drive, hence they enjoy doing it. i never force a dog to do it nor do i do it halfway. i have children and my dogs run free through the home. what good is a personal protection dog if it has to be locked up in the presence of others. i guess theres just a stigma attached to it. they are not attack dogs or fighting dogs. i have never nor would i ever fight or endorse fighting dogs yet thats what i get when people hear of my training. any input to help me know why people feel the way they do about this would be helpful. id like to promote the sport which is difficult to do if no one looks at it. by the way ive seen dogs ranging from jack russels to amstaffs to collies being trained for this, so maybe its because they are bulldogs im training cuz all the other dogs are "so cute" when they bite
I'd have to agree with scout1 on this, its the same with anything. People are usually (not always) but usually against something and saying untrue "facts" about it because they don't know anything about it. I have APBTs and it seems no one knows anything about them really, they know very little or heresay, the ignorance gets annoying or fustrating but you have to live with it. Get through it and just tell the truth and maybe you'll educate a couple and then theres always going to be those who have bad things to say or won't except the reality. I think the sport is great if you are using the right dog and training theres nothing wrong. Dogs properly trained in personal protection I think are very safe dogs, it requires a dog that has been OB trained and has a stable temperament and nerves. I've seen a lot of topics where people are very ignorant on them and have nasty things to say that aren't at all true. I'd love to see some pics of your dogs at work as well as just hanging out.
i think people hear personal protection and think "attack dog." maybe you could come up with a plain, short simple explanation to use for people who question you to educate them some. as long as the dogs are carefully selected for temperament it's just another sport. however, in the wrong hands it could be bad.
ignorance was my thought but wanted to be nice about it. i feel safer approaching a trained dog than an untrained dog. i KNOW the trained dog only bites when told not just because the dog felt like it. i expected responses siding in the opposite direction to be honest. and as far as apbt's go i know that stigma as well i owned rotties for 11 years, although they dont get as bad a wrap as pits. thank you
I think a lot of people think if a dog will bite, they have to be killers and they should steer clear of them. My next door neighbor has two German Sheperds that have had extensive training. She is out of town a lot and the dogs guard her property. They have a wrought iron gate, and the dogs will let me put my hand through the gate and pet them. They will not allow anyone such as a meter reader in though.
Perhaps you could focus on how the training teaches the dogs not to bite. Trained dogs are actually safer than untrained dogs because the dogs are only allowed to bite with your permission and must stop as soon as you tell them to do so, and thus you call the shots, not them. You could explain that they are used to following commands about when to bite and when not to bite instead of making their own decisions about when biting is appropriate (like most dogs do). You could also explain that if the dogs do not stop biting right away when the handler tells them to stop, the dog and handler are disqualified, so handlers in the sport don't want to work with psycho dogs because they can't win with them.
very good points. there is nothing more impressive than sending a dog to do his/her job and outing them and to have them come to a nice clean fininsh. nothing to me looks better or impresses more. it is basically very extensive obedience. they are acting solely on command. i had to remove one of my dogs from the program, he just wasnt getting the idea of the bite sleeve . the dogs are trained on the material, thats what they are going for. so they are perfectly normal dogs outside of training unless called upon to act. my daughter who is 8 actually helps with obedience training, she will control my 96 pound personal protection dog with ease, and the best part is she corrects him and he responds as he should.
I totally agree. I would MUCH rather come up against a well trained "personal protection" dog than one that's just there because it can and (most likely WILL) bite someone. Not to mention the fact that a well trained dog can be "called off", and one that's NOT will make like the energizer bunny and keep going and going and going! Since dogs have been domesticated, each breed had it's own "purpose", job if you will. If others find it difficult to understand this basic concept, then they really don't know much about dogs (in general) at all. All those personality traits we learn about with our own breeds are as a result of those inherit breed traits, based on the breed's "job". Like Pyrs who are stubborn and independant and think nothing of wandering off and roaming for miles. All part of the breed's job of guarding livestock over vast mountain ranges. Then again, it's great for what they're bred to do, but a royal pain when it comes to making sure they don't go off for a jaunt when tey DON'T live in the mountains! Hang in there !
justme...I am involved with a schutzhund club and will be getting my first working mal. I already have one and he is not suited for the work. but i tell people i am getting a dog for this and the first thing i hear is that my dog is going to bite a kid. it is just a lack of knowledge from a fearful society. the working dogs i have witnessed are some of the most pleasent animals i have ever met. my mentor told me that he tells people the dogs are police style trainedand that usually avoids the conflict.
protodog those are all good points, and explained in a way that I think people will listen too. But you got to understand those dumb ones you can't change their mind, you explain it clear as days, simple truth all facts and they just won't listen and have more and more hateful replies its like talking to a wall really. They will never except it, they have strong beliefs or just feel like hating something. But I think they are very good and in most general cases (with normal people..lol) would help them understand what these working dogs are really like. Maybe they can even appreciate them.