we have two boston terriers, both six months old now. they are half bro/sis. i guess i have failed raising them right because they seem so unruly. they never settle down, always playing and fighting with each other, they never stay out of the cat box dispite my repeated reprimands, spraying with water and making loud noises, they chase my cats so much that they don't even want to come down stairs now unless pups are in kennel, they constantly eat their own poop dispite the "deter" that i give them each a.m., i swear they like it more now, no kidding either, they spend half the morning out there eating it before i realized what they were doing, now i have to constantly pick it up or smell it on their breath which is disgusting. they run in the house from outside even when they are wet and jump straight away on the couch, they have this huge back yard but constantly go in this one little muddy area so i am always having to wipe their feet. we are fixing the mud thing soon though. believe it or not they are in puppy classes for training but the training they learn there has nothing to do with what they do at home. i'm just so lost here. my hubby and me have literally talked about putting them up for adoption as they are just so out of control and honestly i do not know how to gain back control, if i ever even had control, and how to make them stop chasing my cats, eating their poop, running around like uncontrolable maniacs, minus regualr playing, they constantly play and fight, play and fight, etc... i just do not know what to do anymore and i feel so discouraged towards them and i know it is my own fault cause they didn't know any better. did i mention that they have ruined some nice furniture of ours and are still chewing up our furniture dispite trying. bitter apple, "yuck" which is strong and intended for horses? and yes they have a ton of chew toys, they get toys every single day! we recycle their toys so they do not have the same ole boring ones day in and day out and they have plenty to chew on with other bones as well.... please help or help me find a good adoption agency cause they have to stay together, there is no way around that! it breaks my heart to think of giving them up cause i've ruined them but honestly i'm losing patience here and so is hubby and my cats are losing weight as well....did i mention that we've had them for four months now?
hmmm...two puppies at once- a glutton fro punichment!!! just kidding. you need to regain alpha pver these pups, first. and the chewing, playing in mud, being unruly and wrestling each other all day, well, that's what puppies do! we have 2 americn eskimos (9 mos and 15 mos old)and they wrestle from the second they wake up to the second they go to sleep! as far as eating poop- some dogs do, some dont the only way to control it is to scoop it. and the cat box- you will have to move it to where they can't get to it. we moved our into the basement with a kitty door. and chasing the cat- they want to play!!! if the puppy classes are going well they should be helping the dogs to listen to you better in general. do you take both at once? maybe it would be better to split them up if possible. but all in all, these things you are describing are puppy behavior thru and thru, i think. it is just that much worse b/c there are two of them!
Boston Terriers! Brings back similar memories for me. My brother had one that he got as a puppy. Having no experience with training a dog, he "gave up" after 6 or 7 months and brought her to me. I had raised a few dogs that were well mannered and he thought I could do the same with Roxy. Well, she did whatever she wanted. I used the same techniques as I had previously used with my other dogs (a husky/schnauzer mix and a sheltie) but nothing worked. She would look at me with her bug eyes while she was peeing on my carpet not more than 2 feet away from me. She also chewed a hole in my couch and ruined other furniture, clothes and kid's toys. After 9 months, and too much destruction, I told him he needed to find another home for her. Sorry, not much help - but I DO know what you are going thru. I think they are one of the more stubborn breeds that have an "independent" side (a nice way to say bratty!) ps. He did find her a nice home with another Boston Terrier.
thanks eskiegirl. i realize that alot of it is just puppy behaviour but nonetheless it is seeming overwhelimg lately. maybe it is me who knows. seems the more my husband complains and get frustrated then the more i do as well. this a.m. when i let them out for potty and i stand and watch them so they do not get a chance to go in the mud...but my one went poopoo and the other was right there to eat it FRESH! of course she did not get to cause i called her back in. it seems since being on deter they eat it more! i am not kidding either! i know they will settle down more as they get older but i'm losing patience now. i have moved the cat box three times now and i have no way to put it behind a closed door and i if i put a doggy door on one room for the cat box well the pups can get through it too cause they are the same size as the cats, lol. i know the pups want to play with the cats but when they chase the cats the cats dont even know they are playing....they've never hurt the cats just scared them. i will plunge ahead just the same cause i love my little kids and the thought of breaking them up and keeping one for less rukkus has crossed my mind but that seems impossible to do as well. we went to get "one" pup and ended up with "two" cause the other one seemed so uncared for and was throwing up and the lady didn't even seem worried and the thought of leaving him there was just too sad. i know it is my own doings and i am trying to be the "alph" but i guess i just do'nt know how...after all how can one look into those big brown puppy eyes and get mad or at least get mad for long, lol!
i know this won't make you happy but i was laughing thru your post just thinking about how much fun your dogs are having. they sound like a blast !! but in all seriousness.....i curtailed the litterbox problem by buying a litterbox that has a hood that comes down over the front of the box. so the cats actually have to slink down and go under and up into the box. i think it is a booda box. another thing would be to get a littebox called Littermaid. it is a self scooping electronic litterbox that scoops the waste up right away when the cat goes. so there won't be any waste in it for the bostons to eat. as far as them eating their own waste you nedd to either walk them on a leash when they are going and yank them hard when they go to eat it and say LEAVE IT !! or follow them around with a poop scooper. my moms shepherd eats his poop and it is so gross when i have to babysit. i have to follow him around with the poop scooper. it stinks to have to do it but he is 7 and has always done it too. mud on the furniture is easily cured by wiping their feet when they come in from their walks. do you have a front porch where this could be done before letting them in ? i don't so i put a gate across the entrance from our kuitchen to our living room so i shut the baby gate and wipe their paws and when they are done i open the gate. i am surprised they can do so much damage with their chewing since they have such tiny teeth and messed up mouth structure. if you can keep them on a leash while they are in the house so if they are doing somnething bad you can correct them right away. the best thing to do is if they are chewing on the couch, yank them away, tell them no, and immeditely give them something they are supposed to chew on. 2 woman i work with breed and show bostons. they are wonderful little dogs.
well we do have the litter maid and it has not stopped molly from going in there! she will literally walk right in there and stand in there and look for what ever might be laying around in there, and of course she gets shewed out of there. i know so much of it is just puppy and like with kids you want them to grow up and out of certain stages yet know in your heart that once they do there is no going back! i think about my other dog (alf) he was a corgi mix and i had him for 16 wonderful years! he was similar to these kids in some ways but he was such a well behaved little thing and ohhhh sooooo easy to house break. these guys have a doggy door so they have constant access to the back yard and yet molly yesterday decided she didnt want to go to go potty and decided to go in the corner. i seen it happening and jumped up and down like a lunatic to scare her and it worked but she dropped a poopoo along the way. i then went out side with her and she just laid down in the sun! grrrrrr.... i hope that i can become even more stubborn then them!
oh the other thing is that they wont eat! they eat maybe one meal a day and i think it is cause they do not like ANY dog food i buy them! they were on purina pro for a long time and i got to thinking that they don't eat hardly at all and maybe that that was why they were going after their own poopoo so muich, cause they are hungry! so i bought t his royal canin. the lady swore by it and they do not like it either....so a last ditch attempt i tried IAMS PUPPY. well guess what! they liked it even LESS! so they eat one time a day and only cause they have to as they do nt get people food although the way they beg you'd think they'd been raised on it!
I have always heard that two puppies at the same time is a no no. They have fun with each other but they are so busy having so much fun that they forget to follow the rules of the household. is there a room that one can go at a time to give you some time with just one. Not all day but a 1/2 hour here and there so they will be more focused on you then each other? I do not know if you have kids but that would be the same as having 2yr old twins. Double trouble! One dog can get into that much trouble on it's own but you have more time to let one know what the rules are. Do they have a crate? Try leash training in the house. besides that they will hopefully grow out of it. (shrug)
Do you own crates. I would definately start crating them and letting them out on a regular schedule with supervision. At first, separately and when they start behaving, reward them with play time together. These guys need some strict rules. Other than that, you could send them to military school. lol
Dogs being pack animals, I always recommend that the 1st dog be fully trained, and 2yrs. old before getting the 2nd dog. I see why you got the 2 though...last 2 posts, good advice. Crates, cages, and other forms of doggie bondage are the way to go. Look in the Foster& Smith catalog, they are the best shipping prices. Contain the little brutes. Just like in the zoo. They are not people. Don't give them the run of the house. Who let them in the living room? Get some walkthru fences and gates. The cats will learn to avoid the dog areas.
monica............I don't want to sound harsh here, and realize you are very frustrated. A puppy can't chew or soil an area he can't reach. I have crates, gates you name it, that I have used to safe guard. As adorable as puppies are, they can't be trusted to do what they should do, or what you want them to do. Just like children. If you can't keep them out of the litter box, as a last resort you could move it to higher ground, the cats could get to it, but the puppies can't. You definitely have double trouble on your hands.
They make a very nice "helper" called a shock collar. You can even get them in double. My Saint Pup was killing my poultry. 3 corrections and now she just looks at them as they walk by her. (I do allow her to chase the piglets around. they are very fast and run back to mom! FUNNY) Anyhow, if used correctly this is a god send. Other choises are a static mat. Put in front of litter box, on couch etc. Also, change thier food. Get something good like Califonia naturals. Get Crates. Put them in them when you can not watch them. Let only one out at a time. Start taking them for walks 1 at a time. They need to learn you rule. Allow them special time with you. Remember they are about the same stage as a 13-15 year old teen!! Scarry i know (I have one) good luck and take a deep breathe. They do grow up someday.
Kittysmom, has a point. What could be worse than puppies peeing everywhere? Cats and puppies peeing everywhere. It has been my experience that cats are a lot more responsive to warnings than dogs. They spook easy.
monica: I've been through all the things you've gone through and then some when I got 2 PitBull puppies. Example: I was talking to my neighbor for 10 minutes out in my front yard, and my pups were dragging my love seat out the back door. I had absolutely no control. That was a year and a half ago I can say that things have improved greatly. These are some of the things that I did. Start off by taking your pups in for some basic training classes. It's for about 4 wks. They'll learn sit, stay, how to walk on a leash. Someone mention crating. EXCELLENT idea. This will give your pups their own space where they can sleep and relax with a toy or chew. Don't use it for a form of punishment, though. Pick designated times of day or night and crate the pups. Be consistant and form a routine. Exercise is the best thing to curb over activity in the house. Take the pups for a walk in morning and evening if possible. At least once a day. Then my all time favorite find on the planet. Get the Gentle Leader head collar. It's referred to as the "10 minute attitude adjustment" for the most unmanagable dogs. They also have the Indoor Drag Line that you can buy with the Gentle Leader. It's a 10 ft. braided cord made specifically to be attached to the G.L. to help controll various behavior problems in the house. There's instruction manuals and videos that you can get to help you use the G.L. Once you put the G.L. on them, you're going to go WOW when you see how much control you have. My dog Grace would not walk with a regular leash and harnass. She would drag me down the street. Once I put the G.L. on her she was like a different dog. Your dogs will understand that YOU are the leader, not them.
i second separating them so they each have a chunk of time alone with you each day for training and walks and time. sit before all attention. sit before eating. sit before play (them, not you.) can you put the cat boxes up somewhere where the cats can jump up but not the dogs? or put a baby gate in a doorway so the cats can jump over but not the dogs? as for the food, just stick to one food and don't change anymore. probably eating the poop fills them up. for the poop eating have you tried to meat tenderizer "accent" on their food? moisten the food a little then sprinkle the accent on. it has worked for me. and use crate time to give you a break, separating them in two different crates.
You have gotten great advise here....At 6 months old they shouldn't have the run of the house...my Bichon is 10 months old and I have baby gates all over my house...she isn't allowed in the living room if no one is there to watch her. I think if you follow the advise given here, crate train, room control, I would think you'd get somewhere with them. You do have your hands full...I think you just talked me out of getting another puppy for a while...lol...I wish you alot of luck...and hope you keep your sanity.
all wonderful suggestions, aside from all the humor. i have yet to meet a dog who did not like natural balance dog food rolls. buy a small one...it's about 4 50 where i live and feed according to the directions on the side of the roll. guarantee they will scoff it up and it is an excellent food. you may want to start brushing their teeth about 3x a week to avoid tartar buildup from the semi moist food.
wow! you guys are ALL awesome! i love all these ideas and am starting to implement them NNNNNNOW! we do have the gates up but now and then i give them some free reign of the house and that is when they get into the cat box and potty on the floor but not always, but now and then they do. i guess they cannot be trusted as of yet, darnit! my corgi was so easy to train, never had a problem with him, and i guess i was expecting the same, siiiigh. i am going to start doing separate things with them like walking and giving them special one on one with training time too. they are both in the 2nd set of training classes now...they know sit, stay, off, down, and wait.....now they will learn to sit, down and stay and some more leash walking and let go, etc. max is not in the 2nd round of classes cause he was tramatized by this big boxer bully and would not even get off my lap towards the end of the classes and when ever he would even see the set up at petsmart he wouid freak out.. so molly is going and i bring home what i teach her and train max that way.... i am going to try these things and i am looking forward to getting back control!!!! yaaaaaah!
Ha, I should send Ace and Summer over to her house. I would never 'get rid' of them, though, even though they are little terrors. I took on the responsibility and I am going to deal with it. Puppies are bad. They are wild, chew, pee, poop, scratch, cry, dig holes, puke, steal food...you name it. And they will continue to do so until trained otherwise. Training is a long process that seems alot of the time like it is not working. But you've got to stick with it because it will pay off in the end. They're only 6 months old, still puppies. Give them a chance. And then give them another chance and another after that. Buy baby gates, crates, invisible fences, etc. After puppy classes move onto obedience. Please don't give up on them. Who knows what will happen to them if you do. Their new home may not be willing to work with them and give them to someone else, maybe splitting them up...maybe leaving them outside. I think it'll get better as long as you stick to strict crate training and continue to work with them. I didnt read the others posts, so sorry if I've repeated anything =0) Good luck.