My 4lb Chihuahua “Nina” is a Hoodlum. She (we) got kicked out of an Outside “Flatboat Festival”. We were escorted to the gate and had to wait on the outside for my husband. Now image, this is an outside event in a surrounding neighborhood and she is in my bag not hurting anyone. Oh, well it was a nice day to take her walking in the neighborhood; we just couldn’t go in the gate. Go figure. Pavack69 http://www.pavackpupsdesigns.com
She was in my purse and nobody saw her until I stopped and got something to drink and then her head popped out and that was the end of our Festival. Now, it is ok to let her walk in down town New Orleans, but not at a festival on a lake?? pavack69 http://www.pavackpupsdesigns.com
my girlfriend has moose, "the alleged but not convicted cat killer" in therapy dog training he is at the public socializtion phase and we only take him where food is NOT sold. we took him to a tire store and the man refused to sreve us as long as the dog was in ther. we explained are cause. and he said,"it is your right to take your dog where you want and he said it was his right to refuse service.-jerk
I don't think it's fair to expect all non food businesses to be open to having pets. Just because we like dogs doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe they don't want the dogs shedding/drooling on their property, or having to worry about it jumping up on customers. Maybe they don't want the liability of a possible dog bite occuring on the premises. Maybe they're afraid of dogs. Maybe they're afraid the customers are afraid of dogs. Who knows? Either way, take it in stride if someone tells you they don't want you to bring your dog onto the premises. I look at it like this. I love animals, but I am sorry, I don't want people who come to visit my house bringing their dogs/cats or whatever over without checking with me in advance. Why shouldn't a business owner get the same courtesy? Regarding the bagged chihuahua at the festival, Pavack? Well.... I remember a couple of years ago I wanted to take Ramoth to A Taste of Chicago, a big festival on the Chicago lakefront. We hadn't heard anything about dogs not being allowed, so we took her. And when we got to the entrances, there were clear signs posted everywhere that said 'No dogs allowed on festival grounds'. So we loitered on the outskirts of the festival, and my family tag teamed going in to sample the food and watching Ramoth. But the one thing that absolutely infuriated me was the number of people who had purses or bags that had chihuahuas, yorkies, toy poodles, whatever in them.. clearly walking by the festival organizers with the dogs hanging halfway out of the bags, yet no one said a word to them about dogs not being allowed. And when we took ramoth in we were immediately told dogs weren't allowed. It pisses me off just thinking about it. I'd rather have a blanket 'no dogs' rule apply to everyone, than to a select few. I swear if I was strong enough and Ramoth was willing, I'd have been tempted to put a super size backpack on and carry her into the festival, then point out that she wasn't on the ground lany more than all these other dogs, so how is she any different? Anyway, Pavack, perhaps people had already tried to bring dogs into the festival and were told that dogs weren't allowed before you brought your dog in, and they were enforcing the unwritten rule for everyone, regardless of the size of the dog or whether the dogs were walking around or carried in purses/pocketbooks.
About six years ago, a ritzy suburb of St. Louis started having an Art Fair where they blocked off several blocks of the business district and people walked in to see the art, crafts, hear music, buy food, etc. I had just gotten off work as a groomer and had my dog, Tommy, a standard poodle, with me. He was all dolled up and freshly bathed, clipped. At that time he had what I called a "circus poodle" clip. Basically eight inch hair from the face to shoulders, shaved naked to ankles, little poufs at the ankles and a little pouf at the end of his tail. He knew he was beautiful and was just aching to be admired. I parked the car and started walking toward the art fair when these ladies rushed out of a furniture store and oohed and aahed over my dog and invited me in! There were expensive china pieces on low tables, $500 shawls, $7,000 couches. I was so nervous to have my dog in there but the ladies just loved having him and he behaved perfectly. When I got to the entrance to the fair, they wouldn't let him in. Go figure.
Minniyar, I do see your point and I have an honest question. Isn't the fact that Gunny's dog is in service training anything like having a seeing eye dog, which is allowed where other dogs are not? You know what I mean, you'll see the signs on the doors, no pets allowed except for seeing eye dogs. At least that's what it says here. The poodle I saw at the grand canyon had a tag or vest, or something I don't remember, that was bright yellow, couldn't miss it if you tried, and it said service dog in training. Does this rule apply like it would for a service dog that is already, well in service? If not, how are they able to get them used to being in different places? I'm not arguing, I am truly curious. Thanks.
i think service dog and therapy dog are two different things. a service/seeing eye dog gets more intensive training due to having a different role- it is actually leading a person where a therapy dog is visiting and being a good pet for people to pat and hug and so on. i haven't heard of therapy dogs having a vest to wear and being allowed in establishments like seeing eye dogs in training.
Minneyar is WAY right. I work in an outdoor restuarant. We allow/ encourage dogs in the sidewalk tables. Inside, it has happened, but is discouraged if the dog is noticible. We don't act like cops, but if the dog is barking or in the aisle, or nosing people that walk by, sorry. Essentially they are not allowed and we ignore them if we can. Non dog people do not want to even hear about animals while they are eating. Many cultures find animals discusting, also...The way we live WITH our animals is baffling to them. They think we are revolting and crazy. Trust me it is not an overstatement. I work in an Arabic place. Those folk openminded enough to like pets rarely have any in the house. It just is NOT done where they come from. On a brighter note, I believe there was an article about how in France there is a dog under every table in French restuarants...even the fancyist ones. Waiters cheerfully serve you food after returning run away balls and getting hand kisses.
As far as I know service dogs in training have the same rights of service dogs in general. I know they do in Alabama, anyway. But they have to be 'in uniform', so to speak, and wear the back cape that clearly states that the dog is a service dog. I don't think Therapy dogs get the same treatment in public places, unfortunately. Therapy fills a social need. Service dogs serve in a physical capacity, require 1 to 2 years of extensive and highly specialized training, and therefore get 'more perks'.