Regardless of how much money they are, I agree with Kittys mom. The mother dog will get over it. At least the puppy will have a shot if it's forced to feed. I doubt that covering the mother's eyes and forcing it to nurse is going to have any emotional scarring....she'll get over it.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my dog. But her problems are very sad and if my friend had known that this was likely for her, I think she would have made a different decision. You can certainly keep the pup alive by letting it nurse, but just know that there is a great chance that this pup could have some serious health issues that mom dog knew about and you didn't, particularly when placing the pup in a new home. Money should be irrelevant. Best of luck with all your puppies. I hope they are all happy and healthy.
You know this reminds me of a dog breeder I had a rather at odds conversation with. I whelp all my pups by hand. I don't want the bitch to herniate their umbilical cords...among other things. This lady I talked to breeds often and does not help her bitches. She says if they can't do it on their own they have no business having pups. Wonder what it would be like if we treated our own daughter's that way? We have domesticated some dogs almost to the point of human awareness. Is it then so hard to imagine them feeling insecure, frightened and schizophrenic about whelping pups. Humans reject their babies too, for the same reasons...
kittys mom............The breeder you referred to does not apply to me either. I followed my vet's advice to the "T." I was hands on both times my Maltese gave birth. She did not require my help, and did a great job.
Not sure if you meant MY post that reminded you of your conversation with the breeder, Kitty, but I agree with you and not the breeder you were talking to on that one. Helping with labor is a completely different issue than what I was referring to. I am not telling newmommy what to do, but simply to know that there is a better than average chance that this puppy will have serious health issues, even if it appears to be healthy for now. This is good to know about because if it lives it will need a special owner who will be willing and prepared to deal with any extra health problems that may come up, as it is almost to be expected. Again, I hope for the best.
Oh, no...I meant THIS in general. I actually was responding to the original post and was not critisizing the Maltese owner either. You couldn't PAY me to handle small breeds, I am that clueless. I tried to housebreak a Llasa Apso once. Ended up just leaving it outside with the Labs. They did not know what to do w/ the little monster either. They sure let it have it's space! Another lady I know 1/2 helps her dogs. She shreds the umbilicals w/ her fingers 'cause she says it resembles the way the bitch does the separating. Personally, I use surgical sissors, giving a clean, breathing pup back to mom when I'm done. Kinda, they get over it. My most intelligent dog in 30 yrs. had a 1st born stillborn...suffocated when bag tore inside mom. Long dead when it came out, and yet almost as though it would come to life any minute...so heartbreaking...Phoenix expected me to "fix" it. I tried to explain to her that it was not either of our fault, as we whelped the rest of the litter. She never really trusted me w/ those pups after that. Very protective mom. Phoenix was Kitty's REAL mom. Kitty is smart too. Never would have gotten out of her mom w/o me. Litter of 4. Difficult LONG labor each pup stuck and hard to get out alive. Only lost the one. Turns out the dog I bred to comes from a line of dogs w/ wider pelvis' than mine. Sure love my Kitty. Sure glad I helped. Phoenix was so concerned w/ the babies that I had to hold her down to keep her from pushing the pups off teats while nosing and cleaning. She was exhausting them and kept knocking them off until I taught her to lie down and relax. When you have not slept in 48 hours you pray for the mom just to settle and nurse. I have RARELY found it that easy.
My girl is a pitbull. Last night around 3 the puppy passed away. I tried nursing him with the bottle but he wouldnt take it. The other puppies are doing well and nursing on thier own. I did try to force nurse him but he wouldnt take the tit. Thank you for all your help. Im going to copy and save the info you gave me incase i need it latter.
Sorry to hear about that. I had a feeling that was the case. I find there are few things as depressing as a dead pup. I've been there w/ you so many times, new mommy. If you want to see one of my successes. I just put a baby pic of Kitty on dogster. I will update it with the one that I took of her yesterday after she dug in the mud puddle. Kitty was part of a ruthless heartbreaking delivery. That stillborn pup left me depressed for days. Actually I'm getting tears now, just remembering it's little perfect body in my hand. So close to a new bright canine life in this world...not meant to be...happens. Check out Kitty...http://www.dogster.com/?80922 Write if you have more problems...We are a scrappy lot, but I like to get a variety of opinions before forming my own (the only one that really counts is your own).
Kittys mom....................Kitty is so pretty. Just for the record I certainly respect your right to do what YOU feel is best. I certainly did not mean anything personal in what I said about me and my Maltese mama. I hope you see it that way.
No harm done, Cricket mom. Glad you like the old pic. Wait till I post the one with the mud. I have to develop it this eve. It is the most classical Lab photo ever. I will show it to anyone who thinks they want a Lab...
I lost another 2 of the puppies. I dont know why. I checked on them and when i checked on them again they were dead. Now im down to 4. =( They rest seem to be doing well. Ill try and get pictures of them. I dont know when i will be able to. Kitty is adorable.
i am sorry for all your losses. how rough to have this happen to you with your very first litter. i would definitely have the vet check her and the pups out asap as there may be a problem with the mom that caused the other 2 deaths. i hope all goes well overnight. do you have anyone close by that is experienced in breeding and whelping litters ? maybe the breeder you got your female from ? i would think a responsible breeder would help out a puppy buyer in cases like this. edited to add = maybe the owner of the stud can help you out.
Any idea what happened? Moms will lie on little pups and suffocate them, they can step on them & crush them the first couple days, room temp?, mom is eating what? "fading puppy syndrome"...what do you think?
I have no idea what happend. Her and the puppies are in a welping bow with a border around the inside to prevent her from lying on them. She seems really careful around them. She tries her hardest not to step on them. She herds them around the box with her nose and piles them up and then curls up arounds them. My house temp is at 65 degrees. I know this is a bit chilly for puppies so there is a small heater in the room with them. Carla is feed raw.
Previous, I mentioned an over anxious bitch nosing and turning the pups too much, exhausting them, birth was exhausting, they rest and sleep quite a bit at this age. Sit and see does the room seem calm or is there much moving going on. Are the pups seeming to get fluid when they nurse, white milk around the lips, head pulled back to get flow in, not seeming to strain? It does sound kinda cold. What do you have in the box? Coarsely shredded newspaper adds some heat. Does raw diet have enough calcium? Make sure mom gets water if she is reluctant to leave pups.