*Sigh of relief* No fights yet! Miracle.... Yes, I agree that the breeding of mutts is a horrid, putrid practice. ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 Wanna be pup pals? ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596 Wanna be Feline Friends?
Here we go again. Can't we all just get along? LOL I have a "designer mutt" I guess. I didn't realize that he was such a debateable puppy when I got him. I didn't know anything about this issue. I didn't get him under the pretenses that he was a "Designer" anything. I did look into the shelters etc. before I picked him. The shelters didn't have the kind of dog I wanted. I also wanted a puppy. I have had a dog before, one given to me. She had all kinds of separation anxiety problems that I didn't know about. I wanted to start from scratch with a dog that had no previous issues and raise him from a puppy. I know there is no guarantee that he would not have issues, but the chances are much better. I do feel badly for all the animals in shelters, but I feel I shouldn't be forced to adopt one of these animals (or feel guilty) if they don't fit my needs. I tried that before and ended up with a bad situation. I am sympathetic to all of your feelings about this and not trying to stir up trouble. Just trying to let you see the other side of the fence.
wendy wrote:I do feel badly for all the animals in shelters, but I feel I shouldn't be forced to adopt one of these animals (or feel guilty) if they don't fit my needs. ______________________________________________- I agree whole heartedly. Shelter dogs and rescues (can) have baggage and I am at the point in my life I can live with out most of it. It should be a willing choice....no guilt or shame should be used to get people to go to the local shelters.
With such a high percentage of the purebreds having inherited health problems from inbreeding people are buying Designer Mutts or Hybrids. They also like having a dog that doesn't look like everyone elses. They like to stay away from the clinics a little more. It is very rare to see a Designer Mutt with any health problem.
alrighty here i go..i need t support my shelter dogs. i volunteer at the north countyhumane society and spca and i've worked with many many dogs. im 16 and this is not just a summer thing im doing it all through school too on weekeneds. now the issue here is designer mutts and why people should not breed them or buy them. I back that up full heartedly! Those who buy designer mutts are just buying "primped up shelter dogs" seriously. and those of you that posted sayig that we should not basically put guilt trips on those who dont wish to adopt from shelters, its not guilt tripping people its the TRUTH. sadly it is the TRUTH that there are millions of animals that are stuck living their lives in shelters. it is the TRUTH that a lot of those millions are put down because of it! dont think i am putting you through a guilt trip because i am just telling you. the fact that the truth is sad dopesnt mean we are tryig to guilt trip you. the fact of the matter is that those who pay a whole lata mula on mutts are just adding to the problem. Seriously, just walk down the aisles of a shelter and look at every dog, yes most are mixed but there are purebreds too. i think it is absolutely HILARIOUS that these people are trying to pass their mutts as a breed. and the ridiculous names they got for em. cockapoo? labradoodle? for all we know there can be a "dog" out there called chickaweeklepoodle haha (yes i made that up all by myself) and people will jump at the "opportunity to own one" ok i have a german sheperd/doberman/labrador i got him from somone who wanted to get rid of them and whose parents were just going to throw them away! I knew nothing of them what theywere never saw the parents, they didnt live great lives and they were infested with fleas! they are now 6months old are great. the only downfall is that both (brothers) seem to be very weary of strangers....GREAT GUARD DOGS though! does anyone want to create a new breed here? hahaha here i got it. lets call him a "german labradobershep" great now i have a designer mutt...yay for me. hahah alright ne who i think it is wrong and it should be stopped people are not educated enough and should start learning, shelters can only hold so much of peoples mistakes....sheesh that was a mouthfull!!!! -KELLY hey hey check out my german labradobersheps www.freewebs.com/ilovemyruffin
Hay I think it is great that nice people are out there that like to adopt animals and sacrifice a lot of their time and money caring for them. I know people who also adopt, or buy animals to keep them alive. I know people who have not only dogs but cats, cattle, goats. I personally have a buggy horse that is too old to work but he is a very nice pet and it makes me feel good to care for him. I'm sure some of you that are on here do that with dogs, bless you! On the other hand I see nothing wrong with the people who choose to raise animals to be used for my hamburgers or fried chicken. I see nothing wrong with people who raise AKC dogs or Designer Mutts so long as they don't miss treat them, no one likes that unless they are crazy. It is up to all of us to report such things and let the police handle it. I certainly think most people that get a dog or a horse or what ever should be very careful as it may be part of the family many many years. They are usually like an angel in the home but they can be like the devil if you get the wrong one.
RuffinMuffin, I commend you on your dedication and love you have for animals to do what you do especially at your young age. I guess this is a topic that we can agree that some of us disagree on and leave it at that. I don't think there are any bad guys here. Just people with different needs and desires. A shelter dog isn't for everyone. A designer mutt isn't for everyone. And a purebred dog isn't for everyone. I understand your passion about the shelters dogs, especially because you are around them and see them everyday. I guess it would be hard not to feel the way you do. I'm glad that you stand up for what you believe in and I'll bet your parents are proud too!!
>When someone buys a Designer Mutt, or any dog, they should try to get one from a USDA licensed kennel.< comoncents, use your common sense. There is not such things as a kennel being liscensed by a food company.
WENDY3249: thank you so much! I really appreciate that :) that was a very nice thing to say to me. hehe thanks again. I just love all those shelter dogs so much and have a relationship with so many of them. let me tell you its hard coming back every week seeing the same awsome dogs there......im hoping when i go saturday some of my favorites will have found a home...but we can only hope and pray for them.! thanks again WENDY! -KELLY
Chili Pepper - shows what you know! Before you put someone down for stating a fact - just because you happen to not agree with them in general, and then blabbing off your mouth, do your homework. BTW - to give you a hint - USDA is not a food company - lol...
Kelly - I think it's is great that you volunteer at the animal shelter. I fully agree that more of them ought to have a better chance at life than what they have and/or most likely will never have. When I was 17 I used to drive 35 miles [actually my then boyfriend drove me] so I could spend time walking dogs at the closest animal shelter in the afternoons. For nearly 20 years after that, I only had dogs collected off the street and adopted from shelters, cats from the shelter or strays taken in. And I still have some rescues even today and still have a "give a paws up" policy. But I also breed dogs nowadays - and that is not a bad thing at all. You have got to look realistically at where your shelter dogs are coming from - and the larger percentage is not breeder direct [or even indirect] - they are unwanted family pets and the offspring of family pets that have not been neutered. And that is where the majority of the shelter problem lies - not in the [ir]responsible breeder, but the irresponsible pet owner who does not spay or neuter. In the case of a purebred - once a pet leaves the breeders house, it is awfully hard to enforce a spay/neuter agreement. Your best bet in this regard is to be very selective as to whom you sell to!
oh no no no i didnt mean bad on the breeders. in fact my boyfriend and i were going to buy a husky pup from a breeder because my boyfriend wanted purebred husky. but now we found one at a local shelter so we might go look into that instead. i always rather get a dog from a shelter than a breeder though. (no offense) :) i think its just because i have more experiences with shelter dogs and stuff then i do with bought puppies. eiher way i LOVE dogs! -kelly
Speaking of Designer Mutts... In order to buy a well bred "Designer Mutt" at this time, certainly the more popular ones, you will usually be put on a waiting list of up to one year long. You may then pay from $600.00 to $1,000.00 for one. Most of these are from USDA licensed and inspected kennels. These though are certainly not Mongrels or dogs from accidental breedings. I understand you can find hundreds of them in the humane society very cheap. I have also heard many of these dogs end up going out to be used for dog fights. I know many people get them and give them a good home but too many free or cheap animals do not end up getting good care when they reach their new home. The people say "I can't afford a big vet bill, I only gave $100.00 for him". when someone gives a lot of money for an animal they want it bad and are more likely to give it good care. They will not usually hesitate to spend money on vet bills etc if needed.
Quote: comoncents, use your common sense. There is not such things as a kennel being liscensed by a food company. End Quote Puppymills are licensed by the USDA and puppymills are now making a fortune off of these designer mutts. It was bad enough when they were just breeding and abusing purebreds.
Yes Comonsence they ARE mongrels. Are they registered? No of course not. Then WHY does everyone think it's okay to pay $1000 for one?????? Geez if that's the case than I might as well stop doing rescue and just go to the pound, pull dogs, NOT spay/neuter them and then sell them for big bucks. OR.....you can get a cute designer mutt from a rescue for $150 with all it's medical work done.
why does everyone think that if someone spends alot of money on an animal that will guarantee they will be likely to spend money on vet bills etc.? that is not the case at all. how much someone spends on their pet is more related to how they FEEL about their pet and not what they purchased it for. i have seen people drive up in lexus' and wearing fur coats who gripe about spending an x tra 12 dollars for pain medication when their dog has surgery. i have seen extremely poor people go without food or other things so they can treat their pet. it has nothing to do with money or investments.
RuffinMuffin, I totally agree with you. I have never bought a puppy. Have I wanted to? Absolutely. All I have ever dreamed of is having a bulldog. Can I stand the thoughts of buying a bulldog for 2500.00 when their are so many puppies in the shelters? Absolutely not. I currently have a purebred beagle that I adopted from the shelter at 6 wks. old and last week I adopted a choc.lab/doberman mix. He is 13 wks. I will only adopt puppies now because of my kids. Many people will disagree with me but I will not adopt a dog with my children unless its a puppy because I have no idea what its been through and if it will like my kids or not. I believe that any dog can like children as long as they grow up together. Am I saying people should not buy dogs? Absolutely not. Like I said I want a bulldog more than anything. I do believe that if people want one of the so-called "designer mutts" or even a pure-bred that they should visit or call their local shelters first. You never know. There could be a labradoodle or beagle sitting there waiting for you. When we adopted Zoe(beagle) there was a black, beautiful 3 month old labradoodle. When we adopted Tucker last week there were lots of purebred labs there. I just happened to fall in love with Tucker and he fell in love with us. He also seemed to like Zoe more than the others. Felissa