I posted this on a few other forums. I thought I'd post it here since there are a lot of members. How is your dog bred? An idea popped in my head to make a post about the way everyones dog(s) are bred. Why/how you picked the dog you got? How important was pedigree? Bloodline? Breeding? How did you finally choose the breeder? rescue? Shelter? What drew you to the dog? Include any story/info about the dog you'd like. Inbred-Dogs closely related are bred together in an attempt to strengthen the line and increase on the positive traits of a great individual dog. Such as a female being bred to her son who exibits these same positive traits, to increase these traits in the offspring and stack and match genes to do so. Inbreeding is a very good tool in a breeding program when used correctly. Eliminating health/structural problems with a pure family not allowing any unknown factors that could be negative to spoil the line. It is also a great test to any line of dogs, as inbreeding can bring forward negative traits and problems to a line. A line that is bred pure for many gens without problems shows how truly strong this line is. Where other breedings give you bad results and increasing negative. These faults may have showed up anyway in future linebreeding or even outcross and scatterbreeding by genes that were still contained in these others dogs or the results of all around poor breeding. It is also practiced by those who shouldn't be breeding at all. Without proper breeding knowledge and without knowledge on their own dogs, they are putting future potenial offspring at risk and destroying line of dogs before its ever started and helping to ruin breeds. One reason it may be practiced is to save this type of breeder $$ on breeding along with bringing in more $$. As they may do a breeding keep an offspring and breed it to its parent while also breeding the parents again and continue again and again. Doing this eliminates stud fees or the need to buy another dog. This can yield some of the worse possible offspring with serious defects. Linebred-Dogs that are related through a single common ancestors , a form of loose inbreeding, not so close as parent/child, sibling, 1/2 sibling. Linebreeding cousins, uncle to neice, aunt to nephew, grandparent to grandchild, great grandparent or great, uncle/aunt, ect. Line breeding is another good and successful tool. Linebreeding also stacks and builds upoin traits of the dogs and lines. It keeps consistency of a bloodline by breeding dogs of this line exhibiting positive traits known of the line with one another. Outcrossed-Breeding dogs of two different bloodlines together to achieve a combination of the positive traits of each line. Outcrossing is a very successful method of breeding, taking linebred and inbred dogs of two bloodlines and crossing them. A 3 way cross is 2 dogs of 3 bloodlines being bred to one another to achieve a 3-way cross. This is done in an effort to acheive positive traits of these dogs which they possess from their line(s) Scatterbred-scatterbred is a dog bred of many lines, often times of which no common ancestors exist and lines may be completly unknown. Other times their may be known lines, however there are many different lines. The dog will have common ancestors, line breeding behind them however decending from several different lines will increase less likelyhood of the dog possessing the known traits of that line and its all one big guess at how the dog(s) will turn out. It is less predictable then the above 3 mentioned forms of breeding. A dog of this bred to another will be unlikely to produce like itself even if it possesses good traits. This is one breeding form that is most often used by bybs/amatures (except for those dangerously inbreeding) as they will breed their two pets together who they have no clue about, will breed to the other dog they think looks good/cute or whatever, or breed to some one who offers their male for stud. This involves no pedigree research (if the dog is even registered) as well as very little if any other form of research at all. The pups from this resulting breeding will likely go through the same process and again dogs will be bred to just any other dog from around town. Inbred/Linebred Scatterbred-This is a scatterbred dog who may or may not have recognizable lines, it is just as the first mentioned scatterbred description, however a scatterbred dog may have been bred back to his mother in an effort to improve upon her positive traits that her son seems to possess. This is very risky and unkown health factors may come into play and produce very poor quality dogs without knowing which genes are coming from where and the negative traits involved. Very dangerous to attempt. Linebreeding may be a better way to go, but it is much harder to still yield the consistency of a line and will requires more culling. Unkown-Dogs of unknown breeding and history. These dogs can be bred anyway, however this is unknown as no pedigree history is available.
*Blinks to see if this is English or not* Whoa! Well, I chose Allie because my friend bought a Chi from the same kennel. The Shears kennel. So that is where I got Allie, in Altamont, Kansas. But she was in Cleveland, OK, which I bought her from ANOTHER breeder! ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
True Pits, most AKC show breeders don't do line breedings at all. It's very very rare, in fact. All breedings are .. as you have it defined as scatterbreeding. They breed two dogs together that may or may not have 1 common ancestor (like the great or great great grandfather) in a pedigree. Other than that, both dogs have names on their pedigrees that are completely different from each other... and the dogs themselves pedigrees show no evidence of more than .. again.. *possibly* but uncommonly 1 dog on the entire pedigree that appears on both the sire and dam side.. and it's again always a great great grandfather or something extremely distant in the dog's pedigree. So distant that it's not even showing up on the coefficient of inbreeding. It's very rare in my experience to find AKC show dog breeders or even performance dog breeders that practice inbreeding and linebreeding. This is because there's a general belief (that is based in fact) among most (not all) dog breeders and dog buyers that inbred/line bred dogs have a greater likelihood of having rare genetic diseases and disorders crop up in the lines. Therefore inbred/linebred dogs are less desirable.
lol Allie. Do you have her pedigree to know how she is bred? ah Min you've said this stuff before to me and in other post. This thread wasn't about what breeding is best, ect. It was about How your dog was bred and any other stories or info you'd like to share about them. I don't want to go there on this post and turn it into a big arguement/debate about breeding types. But I don't like your "This is because there's a general belief (that is based in fact) among most (not all) dog breeders and dog buyers that inbred/line bred dogs have a greater likelihood of having rare genetic diseases and disorders crop up in the lines. Therefore inbred/linebred dogs are less desirable." The based on facts part is the part I have a problem with, so what your "facts" are saying is that my own (wonderful) dogs, the majority of pit bulls, and most of all the pit bulls in history have rare genetic diseases and disorders....lmao mine are all very healthy and Pit Bulls are a very hearty breed in general with few genetic disorders. I'm sure I might have said some of that before, but hey you keep repeating yourself and its non relavent in this post as to what one believes is better. No wonder all these pits keep dropping dead and dying from all these rare diseases....lol http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=4866 I also thought hey I have a friend with some AKC staff dogs, let me look into his peds. This dog is the result of breeding grand daughter to grand father, not great, great great or something extremely distant. Grand father to grand daughter is considered linebreeding. Not only that but the dam (grand daughter) is also from a 1/2 brother sister breeding same dam and its the same dam her grand sire has. So thats 3 times Red Rock Skiller and 4 times Fanny in a 4 generation AKC pedigree. With all that said I refrain from staff blood and the AKC stuff because of the health problems they're prone to and consider crossing adding a weakness to my line. Oh weird an AKC Show dog from a brother/sister breeding. You got to see this because it is so rare. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=9852 Maybe it is though and these are peds from the few who do it? Back on topic. This post is meant as a general discussing as to how your dog is bred if you'd like to share and of course how you chose your wonderful pet, ect.
I do not have an actual pedigree, but I am ordering one for myself from myself for Christmas! She doesn't have what you would call Best in Show bloodline, but she has a darned good one for the midwest. ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
LOL! If you got any Nauset, Toybox (which Allie has), Will O Wisp, or any of those sorts, you've got a good bloodline!!! LOL! I also track top tens like nuts. You can ask me the #1 dog, any AKC breed, Ill give it to ya!!! ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
Yeah I hate those double post! So whats the number one Beagle? ok we are using up the thread space, but no one seems to be replying (to any other threads for that matter) guess most normal ppl are in bed?
Both of my dogs are in the unknown category, and because I found both of them, I often refer to them as "unplanned pets." Neither dog was what I thought I wanted, but both turned out to be exactly what I needed. Argus is a dingo-ish mutt who came running up to me in the parking lot of the apartment complex where I was living at the time. I wanted a beagle but was waiting until I could find a more beagle-appropriate home. Argus was about four-and-a-half-months-old, had ear infections in both ears, and as I found out when I took her to the vet, three kinds of worms. Of course, I couldn't leave a puppy to fend for herself, so I brought her inside and did all of the normal stuff to try to find her owner. The next morning when I took a shower, she wanted to be with me so badly that she jumped in the shower with me. I knew then that if nobody called for her, I was keeping her. She's actually turned out to be an independent dog but a much better decision-maker than the average beagle. McKeever, a rott mutt, broke into my apartment (a different one) three days before my ex was set to move out (with her dog). I didn't want a rott or any other of the marked breeds because I just didn't want the hassle. I knew I was going to have to move myself, and finding an apartment that will accept a rott mutt can be difficult. However, there couldn't be a bigger sign from the universe than having the dog literally break in. Mc Keever has excelled at obedience class and has almost caught up to Arg's level, and Arg has had an extra year and a half of training. I learned to get tough-skinned, and I proudly walk my ambassador for her breed as people scream, "Keep that vicious attack dog away from me," and as McKeever wags her tail and heels and sits and stays on command.
LOL you may already know mine... but here goes... My dog's parents both came from a breeder who does not outcross at all. Some 20-25 years ago or more he started with a Colby dog and a Red Baron/Kiaku dog. He never outcrossed at all. Then, by means of accident, my friend who owns Missy's parents, had a litter. This was Mother/son inbreeding, on top of years of linebreeding. I knew the parents, and I knew that they were great with my friend's children and just beautiful, friendly dogs. After much research, I decided that one of their puppies was perfect for me. They needed loving homes; I needed a loving dog. Although it was very interesting to see their pedigree, and to see what their ancestors look like and their temperaments, pedigree was of no importance to me at all. I picked Missy from the litter because she is the one that wanted to come love on me instead of playing with the other pups. Color, confirmation, size-- none of that mattered. I just went for the one that went for me. I knew I had NO plans for showing or breeding, just wanted a sweetie to share our lives. And I could not have asked for sweeter!
Molly's story: I lost a Saint Bernard to Addison's after haveing her just 2.5 years. I got her from a BYB who was a vet tech. She said they were AKC registered and she would send papers ASAP. (DUMB I KNOW) Anyway Never got papers, The Tech moved no forward address and my dog died. The kids and I were nuts. So this time I said I would find a breeder who would stand behind her dogs. I looked at many Non registered Saints in and around Vermont. One stop had 5 week old non reg. pups for $550. We went to see them and one of the 5 week old pup growled at me not playfully! Needless to say I walked away. Then I started to serch the net. I found alot of "bad Breeders". Breeding before 2yo and no OFA, no guarentee. It took 7 months and lots of looking to find Molly. I found her in Ohio at TLC Kennels. They breed show Saints and Newfoundlands. She stands behind her dogs. Does all the testing and knows her breeds. Molly is a wonderful Lazy 6 month old Bernard. She loves everyone. She will bark at things, but not people. We call her Molly Moose. TLC has answered all my questions and been there every moment for me. I must say haveing a pup flone in, never seeing her except in pictures was scarry. But all went well. My point: Having a Purebredd, AKC registered, Show line, Great temperment, healthy dog, with a breeder whos stands behind her pups and supports her pup owners, is much more important to me than who is in her pedigree.
I don't really care about pedigrees or show lines,just healthy sound dogs that make good family pets. Tigger I have know idea about,she was given to me, Noey ,we know she was ADBA registered,that's all. As far as to how she was bred,I no idea,she was given to us.Sadie and Piper are both line bred dogs. When I choose the breeder I choose ,it was based on dogs that would make good family pets ,and size. I happen to like pits that are bit larger.I spoke in depth with them,and other owners of their puppies and adult dogs,I liked the answers.I also liked the idea of them being close so I could see the dogs for myself and how the interacted with humans,and the puppies and how they interacted humans.
I also wanted to add ,for Tigger having a unknown back ground she is one of the most loyal and loving dogs I could ask for.She has her problems from not knowing how she was treated in the past,she's so smart and athletic. Now as she's going to turn 8 in November,her muzzle is getting a little whiter,and she has slowed down a step or 2 ,she wants instead to be comfy and cozy lying around. So her senior years will be very comfy for her.
From listening to you, I think that inbreeding is a lot more common in pit bulls and apparently in american staffordshire terriers than it is in most breeds of akc show dogs. And it IS true, if there is a genetic flaw hidden in a dog's bloodlines, it will show up a heck of a lot faster by inbreeding than it would by outcrossing. Because dogs that are related are more likely to carry the same recessive defects. That's both good and bad though, by inbreeding, you can find the flaws faster and remove the dogs from breeding pools. I heavily researched a few breeds before we decided on newfoundlands. I looked at all kinds of pedigrees for different lines of collies, belgian tervurens, newfoundlands, akitas, and great danes. In all of those breeds that I researched, I didn't find any breeders who inbred. In fact, going back to the great-great grandparents, about 1/10 of the dogs being bred to produce a particular litter had the same names.... and again it was only between the great great grandparents, so even line breeding (if you want to call that line breeding) isn't common. So. My future show newfoundland is 'scatterbred' I guess. Bowen the mutt is definitely scatterbred. And scatterbrained.
I wish I knew!! I brought home Bella, a Labrador/Pit Bull mix from the shelter. I wish I knew more about her parents and what exact breeds are in her. Either way, I love her to pieces...it would just be nice to know.
Wow....I just have to comment. Firstly I am new to this board and I guess my overall impression is that it is a forum for people to bash eachother. I see so many people asking important questions and seeking real answers and information, but getting a lot of dis-information. I did not read every post to this topic beyond the first few, however there is a glaring mis-statement in one post. Every GOOD AKC breeder I know, and I know MANY, line breeds to a large degree. They only outcross to refresh or to start over when a problem is encountered. In most pure-breds that have not been ruined due to irresponsible breeding there is small gene pool and it is likely that somewhere down the line a popular stud was used. In a given breed there are maybe 5 to 10 popular studs and often frozen semen is used way past when the stud is viable or even alive. People who think this is a way to make some money are the ones who ruin breeds by not knowing what they are doing and not really taking the time to learn. This is a very expensive hobby. True responsible breeding by people who love their breed and devote a good piece of their lives to a particular breed is not rare in the AKC dog show world. They know genetics, they learn from eachother and from mistakes. They neuter/spay dogs that should not be bred. They do genetic testing, they know 6 generations back of any bitch or stud they use. Ok, so if you want me to post an answer to the original topic after I have said this, I will. I just think it would be nice if people read to learn, not to pick. It shouldn't be a case of my pedigree is better thans yours. We all love dogs or we wouldn't be reading any of this right now.