NOT FOR ME! I am asking because someone I was talking to yesterday was thinking about getting it for a 3 year old rotti, and I did not think it was the best thing to do. I did use it on my other Shepherd twice because we used to babysit a golden retriever and Mercy was very territorial and would not let the poor thing pee in peace. It only took those two times and she got the message quick. We would let them out to play together and we have 3 acres so we could not get to her fast enough. But this person is thinking about using it for "manners" really. Jumping, barking, lying on forbitten furniture etc... What is everyones take on the e-collar?
Is that the collar that shocks? I think it is okay in dominance or aggression situations. Or maybe even for a dog that barks too much. But not for general obedience. Dogs can be trained to sit and lay down and such without being shocks. Just praising them when they do it does the trick after awhile.
Yes it gives a little shock. This person's dog does know the basic rules of sit and stay. He just thought it would be good to teach it a few other things as well. I guess he thinks it is a quick fix training method. I did tell him it worked for Mercy but like I said we only used it a couple of times and she got the message. Thankfully the owner of the Golden retriever bought it for her dog and we tried it on her. I hear it costs a lot?
Most people unfamiliar with electronic collars don't know exactly how refined those collars have become. They can be very subtle. Although I've never used such a training collar on any of my dogs I have felt them. To my astonishment there are some settings I could barely feel. The trainer using the collar for distance work is going to look for the lowest level that gets the dog's attention. Used this way the dog is not frightened or distressed. One reason is that the dog feels what it feels. They certainly can be used badly. The electric/ shock collar is easy to abuse and the average dog owner shouldn't go near one. I've learned enough about the collars, and watched enough dogs, to decide that they can be used without hurting the dogs although I personally would never use one. The average pet owner simply does not need an electronic collar. Really there are only two primary uses for the electric /shock collar aversion training and high level distance work.
I used a collar once that was supposed to omit a loud noise to hurt their ears every time they barked, becausse I had a Border Collie mix that barked all the time and got on other people's nerves. But this was a horrible collar! The one I had never worked right, I tried it for a while but it would make sounds constantly when she was not even barking, it did not take me long to decide this was not helping to train her at all! As for a shock collar, never used one. but mabey if it was used on correctly on low settings it might could be useful, but it would be so easy to abuse this either intentionally or unintenionally I sure would not reccomend it to any one!
Are there different settings? I did not know or perhaps remember that. Thats a good idea about distance working. I think how we used it would fall into that category. lol. Actually it was the owner of the other dog who used it on my dog. I gave permission but i did not zap her. Mercy was really bad about other dogs on "HER" property. Nothing bad but a lot of pinning and growling just enough to let the other dog know who was boss.
if a person is trained in how to use the collar correctly then i think it is fine. i would use it only s a last resort. if i have exhausted every other possible training method. used incorrectly it can cause problems for the dog.
bostonbabies, have you heard of the collar that sprays? My vet sells collars that has a box attached to the front of it. If the dog barks, it makes it spray something that is extremely irratating to dogs.
"Are there different settings? I did not know or perhaps remember that." ------------------------------------------------------------- Yes they have different settings much like a cattle prod. The settings range from a mild sensation to an extreme shock such as you would get if you were to stick your finger in an electrical socket. The more extreme settings are normally only used in aversion training.
" My friend's dog got to the point all they had to do was SHOW the remote to her, and she'd do as they said." ---------------------------------------------------------------- Most likely because the dog is scared senseless which is a very bad way to train any dog.
huntersmom, that is interesting. I had not heard of that one. But since that episode I have decided no more collars except as a last resort. The malfunction noise collar made sounds worse that a dog barking LOL!
An E-collar is short for Elizabethian Collar, it's the lampshade thing to keep them from scratching/biting at themselves! LOL I have used a shock collar many times. I did a short writeup about my experience with them that I posted here before, but now I can't find the old post, so here it is again: http://www.pounderpits.com/information/Owners/Shock.htm I would also like to add that shock collars are much easier on the trachea... And sometimes for fun I chase my kids around with it and shock them (on a low level , of course!) They laugh and giggle as if I were chasing them around tickling them. On low levels, it is NOT painful or in any way damaging.
I also use a shock collar. My Saint Bernard thought Ducks, chickens, Guineas and cats were for eatting or playing very roughly with (read untill dead). I have used this very expensive collar about 3 times now. Its back in the case and she does not chase the other animals like before. I do allow her to chase the sheep who get mad and chase back! They also are bigger than her right now. They both seem to like it and no one dies so.. I think it should only be used if someone or something else is going to be hurt. The people need to be Trained first. Its like a credit card. Too easy to use!
ummm? very interesting. What about for biting shoes? Does that count? lol. No I really think that for now Aisha's little habits are not a GREAT concern. It may be something to keep in the back of my mind when she becomes a teenager. lol. My kids will be teens soon enough too. ( seriously thinking about this now) lol