i have put a shock collar around my own neck at low and high levels. I do think it is painful and does produce discomfort. letting kids use a training tool as a toy isn't cute or funny. I do use these on 1 of my dogs and he obvouisly does not enjoy when he gets shocked. I think that is horrible. the dog is not a toy either. I suggest putting the collar on. set it a low level and let the kids have at it. Doesn't sound like fun does it.
OMG you have the wrong idea about what I said! I do NOT hurt the kids, and they do not ever have control of the remote! As a matter of fact, it spends most of it's time put away in the cabinet, as I rarely ever need it. I am sorry if anyone got that idea from my post! They saw it, they asked what it was, I told them. They ask does it hurt Missy? I said NO, check it out. I did it to myself. Asked if they wanted to see. They said yes, and I did it to my son's hand, he laughed! So sid wanted me to do hers. I did, and she laughed too. It then progressed to a silly game of chasing them around, them laughing and giggling. They would come up to me and deliberately get near and then run so that I would chase after them, "hahahaha you can't get me" playing. The collar was not around anyone's neck. This was on level ONE (the lowest). Yes the high levels hurt. I would not use them on my dog and most definitely never ever on my kids. Nor would I use such a dog training tool to discipline the kids! This is the first time I have felt like I was being accused of child abuse. Whether everyone thinks this was a good idea or not because of it being a training tool, well, so be it. They know that they are never to touch it. If you think that's a bad idea, so be it. But please be clear that I was most certainly NOT hurting my children!!! I am trying not to be offended at that insinuation, but maybe I just did not explain well enough the first time... My original point was that the thing does not HURT on level 1. If it is painful to you on level 1, my guess is that you are extremely sensitive. I did not even for a second consider that someone would think that I was shocking the crap out of my kids. Or putting it on their neck, or whatever awful things you seem to have the idea that I was doing. P.S. I agree, the dog is not a toy, and neither my children nor I have ever "played" with her by shocking her.
Okay, I have had a few minutes to recover from being accused of being horrible to my children. I can admit that it was not a good idea to make a fun game with it, as it would be disastrous if they thought of it as a toy and were somehow able to get it while I was in the bathroom or something (it's up high in the cabinet) and shock the dog or each other with it, especially being that they might turn the dial and put it on the highest level. I didn't think of it in that light at the time. When they wanted to see what it does and I showed them on the hand, I made a bzzztt noise and they found it to be funny, and we started playing without my thinking about them possibly somehow getting it on their own in the future.
Gunny, that is a HARD blow. What she is trying to say is that it causes so little pain that she even has used it to play around with the kids. If she thought it would hurt them in any way that would NOT happen. It's pretty unfair to judge like that.
There is a stand-up comedian that does a routine about people in Hollywood testing those collars on themselves. That if you hear screaming they probably are just wearing a bark collar and can't get it off... Any way they are so great w/ problem barkers. Smart enough is the Lab that I would just shake the collar at him and ask if he wants it or is going to be quiet. He usually shut up. One mouthy bitch that I had would look down at her own neck to see if she was wearing the collar, everytime she felt like barking, it was funny to watch. Neat thing is they blame the collar and themself and you are not the bad guy meting out punishment. I have also used them for correction in the field, but disagree with the way some people use them there. They are good for dogs that run away from you and may run into traffic...
teaching sit to a pointing dog can have the following problems. first of all, those that teach it is usually taught early in the dogs life. the dog learns that sitting makes you happy later, when putting pressure on the dog on point, the dog may decide to sit to make you happy. does this happen with all dogs? no, of course not. but since it can and sometimes does happen, it is a bad thing to teach because if your dog will be one of those you do not know it until to late, then you have created a problem that must be corrected. usually, when people want to teach their pointing breeds to sit, they wait until the dog is 2-3 years old and well broke first.
hoosgow: I don't press her, just so you don't get the wrong idea.. I familiarize her with the command but it isn't something I expect her to do automatically everytime I ask for it. "Sit" isn't exactly the most important thing they ever have to learn and not even the adult dogs really have to know it by heart. ~Seij
Lots of interesting comments. I guess I'd use one only as a last resort, that is if it comes down to losing my dog. Scruff stops barking as soon as I say "no" and isn't a problem barker so far. He's also a house dog, so I guess that makes a difference. As far as basic training, I'm not too sure. It's not very difficult to teach dogs commands if you stick with it. Scruff is only 6 months old and knows at least 11 commands so far...we work with him every day and don't give up until he gets it right.