Just wondering how many dog owners here use doggie body language in training. I personally have found that using dog body language has helped tremendously in keeping my dogs in line and obedient. I don't hit my dogs when they are bad, I growl and bare my teeth. I have found that most dogs respond to this by treating me as an alpha. However, male dogs seem to be a bit more resistant/reluctant, and I would never try this on anyone else's dog! Many years ago (when I was young and ignorant!) I caught the eye of a friend's dog, and then bared my teeth. The reaction I got could have gotten me hurt, had the friend not been present, because the dog barked and growled and poised for attack. Probably because I was on her turf. Anyway, just wondering how many of you use this in training.
I am interested to hear that this is a possibility with dog training. I have never heard of it before but have used something similar with my horses with amazing results. I went to a clinic with Monty Roberts about 6 years ago and tried his approach with my two horses and it was unbelieveable. Hopefully more dog owners will reply with info on this topic!
Yipee, a horse and dog person! Me too! I have used Monty Roberts' method with my horses as well. I'm better with "dog-talk" but my horses are definitely responding. I, too, would love to hear from other people that use this type of method.
I am telling you its amazing i was reading some of the comments on this issue and the situation arose as i was reading. I brag about her. I have had dogs in the past ,but always got them when they were at least 9 months to a year old. This is the first dog i have had since she was 12 weeks young and she amazes me with her intelegence
Your puppy sounds like she is very smart. I have done this with my puppy ( I got her at 9 weeks, she's now 2yrs.) as well as my one year old (at the time, he's now 3yrs.) chi/terrier. Both responded very well. I also took them both to obedience classes and was pleased that I didn't have to yell at them to get them to respond or behave. As I said, though, male dogs are a bit more reluctant than females. My female will immediately roll over and show me her belly (submission) when I bare my teeth and growl. My male will sloooooowly lay down, and then half turn onto his belly, letting me know HE knows I'm boss, but still letting me know I need to work for it!
I use hand signals for teaching tricks, if thats what you mean. I did the same with my last dog. Like talking hand means speak, i put my hand flat on the floor and that means down, I point at him and that means sit, hold my hand above his head and that means up, i put my hand in front of him while he is sitting and that means paw. I also use words but he will do the tricks with just the hand signals if I say nothing. If you mean bareing my teeth and growling. No, I have never tried this. My dog is very laid back and I have never needed to show whos boss. He knows.
Too funny. I have a Cairn Terrier that I "rescued" from a pet store long before I knew better. She is leans towards agressive, and has a trainer that I have worked with for years as issues arose. I have read many books on behavior modification, but have never run across this idea before. When I first read it - thought it was a cute idea. She (dog) has ALWAYS had a problem with the vaccum cleaner. She loves to bark and chase it. Never really bothered me to much - sometimes you have to choose your battles. So today, as I started the vaccum, and she started her vaccum games, I bent down, showed my teeth and growled at her. No kidding...she looked me right in the eye, cocked her ears back, and went and laid down. Almost died laughing ! What a simple, logical, effective idea. Great post !
Useing body language is a good way to communicate with dogs that are not to much of a threat.But not for training. Sometimes I will stare them right in the eye from across the room, hold my hands slightly out in front of me like I was going to grab them and very slowly walk towards them growling, never breaking the stare directly into their eyes. Its so much fun and they usually get a little worried because they never know what I'm going to do. Sometimes lets say I'm eating a sandwich, out of the corner of my eye I can see my two dogs watching very carefully. I will growl and hover over my sandwich and then stare at them, they always look away, like "We weren't looking!" They know that I'm the boss and all the food is for me!!! Its all in the eyes, if the dog is the first to break the stare than you win...Then attack!!! just kidding. but sometimes I do just for the fun of it. If you had a very dominant dog and didn't really know what you were doing you could get hurt.
I do agree with sue. If you have a very dominant dog and are inexperienced with dogs, this could get you into trouble. However, if you know how to handle a dog, it's not really a problem. As far as being useful on dogs that are not much of a threat, I'll have to disagree. I have used this on my little bitty mutts, as well as my stables' border collies and catahoula dog. The point behind it is to speak to the dog in a language that they understand. We, as humans, have taken on the responsibility of taking care of and protecting our dogs, as would a pack leader. Therefore, we must get the dog to understand that we are the pack leader, or alpha dog. By expressing ourselves as a dog would, they can understand quicker that we are alpha. Staring a dog in the eye, and not breaking contact, is usually perceived as a threat. Most dogs will get very nervous, especially if they don't know you. As I said, both of my dogs have gone to obedience school, and both know hand, as well as verbal, cues. I recall reading in a different post someone saying something about making a dog move out of your way, instead of moving around the dog, to gain it's respect and let it know who's boss. That is also body language that a dog understands. I guess I didn't explain properly - this is not for teaching a dog tricks, it's more for gaining respect, and letting a dog know what is acceptable behavior, and what isn't. Unacceptable behavior gets bared teeth and a growl. This is immediately understandable to the dog. Some one made an earlier post about using this method on horses (not the teeth and growl, of course!) and getting a good response. All animals speak their own language, it's up to us as humans to learn it for better understanding on both ends. All that being said, this is only my opinion. It is something that has worked for me. I am not a breeder or a professional trainer. I have had many dogs throughout my lifetime, and have found through experience that this works for me.
That was me about the body language and horse stuff...You're right...if I growled @ my horse he would look @ me like I had truly lost it! LOL...I remembered after posting last time that my good friend uses this on her two dogs. One is an Akita and the other is a St. Bernard...The first time she did it I was dumbfounded or as they say in Britian...Gobsmacked...but I was amazed at how a 140 lb dog totally backed off, rolled over on his belly and said ok, I get it! It totally makes sense to speak the language of the animal that you're working with...So what does that mean if you work with Primates??!!?
Kushi, I guess if you worked with primates, you'd have to follow in the footsteps of Jane Goodall and Dian Fossey. (Ok so maybe not like Dian Fossey!) Anyway, there are many people, scientists included, that view this form of "training" to be the best.
When i mentioned on a earlier posting that i growled and showed my teeth to my puppy who was bitting on my sneaker, my intension wasnt for her to think that i am the boss , it was for her to understand she was doing wrong. Actually is was done in liu of using the word "NO".After all she is only 4month old and is teething.
Yes, you do want to tell your puppy you are the boss. You told her you were the boss, and you also told her she must respect you, and you told her that you didn't want her chewing on your shoe. If she didn't respect you as the boss, she wouldn't have stopped chewing on your shoe. If she doesn't continue to respect you, that could cause a whole world of trouble. A lot of people (generalization) talk about their dog as being bad or untrainable, and in some cases, I will agree that that could be the case. But, it is more often the case of a dog not respecting it's owner. If a dog respects (and trusts) you, it will be more apt to comply with your wishes (commands). Just because you are the boss, does not mean you are a mean person, or you don't love your dog. My dogs respect me, and know I am the boss, but that doesn't stop them from following me around (velcro dogs!) and jumping up on the couch with me for some cuddling. Besides, what is more effective, yelling at or spanking your dog, or giving her something she can understand instantly?