Hi everyone, I bought two yorkie puppies from *. Her name is * and is located at Mississippi. The puppies aren't healthy when i received it. I brought the puppies to the vet. One of them has eye problem and the other one has kennel cough. Both of the puppies died 17 days later. I contacted the breeder and she said that she only gives 2 weeks warranty on these puppies. I emailed her back and hasn't received her reply. Any suggestions will be helpful!
***Edited By: pope1982 on 1/22/2013 1:12:22 PM*** Reason: *removed kennel and breeder name
Look up the puppy lemon law in your state and take her to court.
This is a civil issue, and you are only going to be able to approach her for payment in a court of law. Even with her guarentee the lemon law should suffice. Also considering that they came to you sick and you attempted to have them treated under the time of her warrenty.
Sorry to hear about your loss. I recently lost my puppy from Parvo and I got him from a breeder that is also known to sell sick puppies. I would start researching small claims court, but she first has to refuse to pay you before you go to small claims. If you paid by credit card or pay pal you can try to get them to assist you in getting your money back. I would also report her to your local animal control center. Then continue to do exactly what you are doing and spread the word...I have done that on this forum and I recently saved someone from buying a puppy from this breeder...so every little bit helps!
I guess that I must be dense but how do these people get to keep selling sick puppies and what are they thinking when they do it??? If they have a business wouldnl't it be much more profitable to clean up the business and the pups and vaccinate properly and then do some simple disinfection to keep the pups protected and what about the vets that serve these places. Maybe I am wrong but doen't one have to have some sort of a health certificate to ship a puppy air or ground???Why isn't there some law that would hold vets. accountable for giving these sellers/shippers the proper papers to sell or ship before they acctually take the time to make sure that the pup has proper immunity , vaccines, and medication. Lots of little breeds stress out so easily and get coccidiousis , surpressed immune systems, while going to a new home ,being shipped ect. how hard would lit be to send along a little albon , nutristate ect. what is wrong with these people, if they are running this business shouldn't they know about this stuff to help protect the poor puppies and the folks who purchase them so happy and then have their hearts broken when 1. they have no care instructions provided 2. they have a false vet report , cause the vet don't care, and 3 the poor dog has already been exposed. Pup and new owners don't stand a chance. There has to be some way to make these people change ,see the errors of their way, or make them accountable . seller and vet alike. even if it gets into their head from a money stand point don't they realize that they won't last and sale will not be profitable if they don't sell a good healthy "PRODUCT". sorry to vent ,,,just don't understand.
Phatmanz, you would think so, wouldn't you. It should be just as you described, but it is not even close. Everytime I hear someone advise someone to contact the lemon law people or go to small claims court, I think about false hope. Getting the states to act on the laws as far as scamming with puppies is almost non-existant. First of all these officals have it stamped on their brain that it is "just a dog." If you could see the mountain of paper work I have, you would think that would be more than enough, but it isn't. What you said about the vets is true also. There again, getting the people that are supposed to enforce these laws are always out to lunch. What these scammers do is outright fraud, but as I sit here tying they are probably loading up a sick puppy to send on a plane. Going through all of this has made one thing very clear to me, some of the laws in this country are a total waste.
***Edited By: cricketmom on 1/1/2005 2:23:35 PM*** Reason: cause
I'm so sorry for your loss. This is one reason why I am dead set against anyone buying a puppy off the internet. Not to say that there aren't responsible breeders that advertise on the net, but they still will not sell you a puppy without asking lots of questions of you to ensure their dogs will be cared for properly. I, personally, would never buy a dog from someone whom I've never met, have not seen their breeding stock or the living conditions of their animals. Did you ask for references before purchasing? If anyone buys a dog site unseen, you really have to put many hours of research into to to ensure you're dealing with a reputable, ethical breeder, and you should ALWAYS ask for references...at least 5 and call them all.
The answer to your question is money. These types of breeders (and I use that term very loosely) spend virtually no money on their dogs. They wouldn't dream of spending hundreds of dollars to do genetic testing on their breeding stock, they give the minimum in the way of vaccinations (if any) because that too costs money. They don't give a hoot where their dogs end up, if they are well cared for, or even if they survive. Once they've got your money, they're done with you and the dog. They got exactly what they wanted from you...$$$
Good luck trying to get the state laws to help you. It is a civil matter and you'll be hard pressed to find an attorney that will give you the time of day in such a matter. It's really a shame too because tying these people up in the judicial system and chunking huge fines on them is the only way to get to them....through their pocketbook. Unfortunately, unless you have a legal background or have any legal connections, you're pretty much SOL.
I'd definitely check into a small claims action, but be prepared for virtually nothing being accomplished by it. Then should you win, it will really feel like a victory.
The best thing you can do at this point is spread the word about this breeder. Do you know if she's registered with AKC? If so, file a complaint. Again, probably will go no where, but better to file the complaint than to just let it slide. Your complaint could be of help to someone in the future.
Crestiemom, these scammers are real good at what they do. I wrote a page of questions to ask, and the person that scammed me answered every single one of them perfectly. Some of which only an experienced breeder would know. As for the references, I wouldn't bother to call any of them. They could give you names of friends that would stand behind them 100%. These people are not stupid by any means. They have had a lot of practice, which has allowed them to get where they are. The only way I see to get any form of justice is that if a member of the media or someone high profile gets scammed.
Yes it is just a dog as far as the legal system goes. I personaly want pets, not children, so will support that law. However, legaly you can recoup the price of the dog, but you must go to the location of the breeder to do so. You will not get pain and suffering and probably will not get vet bils ether. That is to the descretion of the judge.
I work in the legal system and find that many people do not access it as it is uspposed to be access and give up thinking they will not win or receive anything. And sometimes its harsh, but better to fight for it.
Icyhound, what you have described is the total opposite of what I and other members of this forum have done to try to bring the scammer to justice.This has been going on since May, or maybe before. We have sent documents to prove this person to be a fraud, not once but continuously. We contacted the Lemon Law Dept. They put each case into mediation. No one has ever heard back. Right now we have fraud investigator that is supposed to be working on this. No one has given up, and we have and are still fighting. However, we have to use a little common sense and realize that we can't force the state of Florida to do anything. They have one of the toughest lemon laws in the country. It looks good when you read it, but getting it enforced is a whole different matter. We have applied pressure to Continental Airlines to get them to stop shipping sick puppies for this scammer. Same results. I have no problem going to Florida to see this person get what he deserves. The police have gone to his house, fined him, and moved on. He is not stupid. They were not able to find a lot of puppies, because he is getting them from Brazil. Any one of us has enough documentation to have this guy put in jail, but it isn't that easy. It is no longer about money as far as I am concerned. You may be in the law profession, but you have no idea how involved this is. If it was just a matter of flying to Florida and right this terrible wrong, it would have been done a long time ago.
I thought you said you worked in a vet clinic? Just wondering.
***Edited By: cricketmom on 1/1/2005 8:16:50 PM*** Reason: cause
Thank you for everyone's comments and supports. Lynrose, we have the same experience. I sent the payment to the breeder by Money Order. The breeder refused to refund my money or give a replacement puppy. She doesn't reply my email or call at all. I'm thinking to bring her to small claim court. It hurts me so bad that i lost both puppies and my money.
The breeder sells her puppies at puppyfind.com and nextdaypets.com.
I am very sorry for your loss. I was involed in the same ordeal as Cricketmom. Yes there are laws to protect consumers but they are never enforced thats why these scams happen over and over again. Lemon law, schemon law!! Nothing happens to these breeders the only ones that suffers are the poor animals and their new owners! I have called the breeders vet ( he hangs up on you), the ASPCA in Dade county, the lemon law dept, the airlines, the FBI and made a report online, and have sent stacks of proof of fraud to the police. A TV station was going to do a story about this guy and then nothing happened with that either. I have told this site about him over and over again. He gets kicked off and then he's back now using a different contact name. I did get most of my money back through paypal but it was a fight. Bottom line you will probably have to travel to the breeders state to sue and get your money back. I am a breeder myself and thought I had asked all the right questions and covered my butt. Like Cricket said these crooks know their business. I'm sorry I'm so negative and wish you the best of luck.
Snowman, since you received refusal and are not getting return correspondences, you can definitely proceed with small claims court. If you have all necessary documentation, I cannot imagine this not proving to be successful for you. Thankfully, I was able to get a refund from my breeder but I only believe that is because she has been sued/taken to court/complained about so much that she just wanted to be done with me. I still did report her to my animal control center. Again, I'm so sorry for what you are going through...it is one of the toughest things. Please let me know if there is anything other information that I can offer regarding my case or if you wanted to run anything by me. I'm here to help!
I too had two dogs that were victims of * cruel money hungry ways. The first puppy she sold feel ill the first night one ER and vet visit later (over 500.00) my vet believed she sold the yorkie with a liver shunt. She denied it but offered to give me his brother, who was double his size and in fact not even a purebred yorkie. 6 days later my poor puppy was rushed to the ER and was the. Treated At my vets office for parvo! He nearly died! She claimed it was I who exposed him to it! She claims to give the puppy shots herself. My beautiful boy is now nearly 5 months old and tipping the scales at 8lbs his hair is coarse and does t grow on the sides. We believe him to be an Australian terrier mix at best. Please don't by from * She is possibly selling he sick puppies in AL too.
Learn from my 2,000.00 mistake!
***Edited By: pope1982 on 1/22/2013 1:13:46 PM*** Reason: *removed kennel and breeder information