in our fenced in backyard while we are at work. He loves being outside and it seems so much nicer than being crated all day. I keep telling him we can't because our neighbors work nightshift sometimes and they sleep in the day. Max barks at squirrels and birds and carries on sometimes. Hubby says too bad for the neighbors, our dog should be able to enjoy his own backyard and it is daytime. These are the same neighbors who feed a cat that comes over to our house and pisses on our stuff sometimes. So he feels justified in his thinking. I still do not agree with hubby. What are your opinions?????
I'd want some place where he could take shelter. I hate to hear dogs that bark all day and especially at night. Some times that happens if they are out too long and get bored. If they bark a little here and there, it would not bother me.
I would personally hate to leave my dog outside all day without being able to check on them. Of course, I don't always trust other people. And as busy as Max is, I would be afraid of him digging his way out or something similar.
I know some people leave their dogs out all day, but that is not for me, especially since my dog is so small.
I am nervous about him being out all day alone too. He does have shelter under the deck if he needs it. He has never tried to dig out before but you never know. Toby can not stay out (he is my other little dog) by himself. So he would be inside, either crated or loose.
IMOP I would not keep them outside...I have seen many times that dogs get out and are missing for hours before you get home to notice it.Do the missing all get to the safety of the pound...or atre they kept or worse hit by cars.? .I gave my brother a pup from my last litter of GSd and it was stolen from his yard. I was also very unlucky when I lived in a residential area to live next to a REAL nut. She would lunge at my poor dog with a shovel and it ended up she threw poision in my yard and would hit him with stones or apples just because he barked at her...go figure...who wouldnt bark at her..I had a double fenced in lot and my poor dog had to end up being chained to the center most part for his safety...I bet he would have never lasted if I was not home...I caught her several times and the authorities really did nothing since she was a real person with mental problems..I did get her for crualty to animals when she through a hunk of cement on my 9 week old German Short Hair puppy...but I dont know in actuallity what happened to her...She was reported several times and I had to go to a hearing...but they said it was just added on her case...so...in actuality nothing happened...I got the heck out of that house and there was no looking back..I sold after only 18 months or so...so i didnt ever get any equity in that home...But we could not stay any more..I had a samll child and if she continued to throw poison in the yard she could hurt my child...So we now live in the "sticks" and have for 10 years now...And love it..I still dont let my animals run or roam free...but at least I know they are safe and still alive...Good luck to you...Seems you just have to inlighted your hubby on how you feel about leaving Fido out when your not home...Crating isnt as bad as some make it out to be...Id be lost with out being able to crate mine..I have 7 and crate 5 ( well 4...one is in my bath room with puppies now) Good luck with your decision making ...
Thanks Huron. We have been crating them both. There are no problems with that except now the weather is starting to warm up and hubby though it would be nicer for Max to be outside instead of crated all day. They are quite use to their crates and do very well in them. I would be nervous about what the neighbors may do to Max as well. You never know what people are capable of. Most of our neighbors are decent and the ones who sleep in the day are decent people. The woman does throw meat scraps over the fence to the dogs sometimes I have discovered. I had to tell her nicely that Toby can't just chow down on big hunks of meat, he may choke. Anyway, I will keep trying to convince hubby.
What about building a dog run attached to a dog door? Some areas are just NOT safe for dogs to be outside unsupervised- and I don't think that mine is. But I like in the land of zero-lot lines- and when you can reach out your window and touch your neighbors walls- that's just NOT enough distance between houses.
If Max would have a way to get back inside- and got enough exercise in the morning to keep him from destructive and annoying bored behavior- it's probably worth a try.
I've known people who build runs off of the garage- with a doggie door to get into the garage and into the house. Sounds like a cool idea to me- and safer than taking the chance that a dog can dig out or climb the fence. :)
I don't believe that tying a dog out when nobody's home is EVER a good idea- just in case that thought comes up.
I've always read that people who leave their dogs outside unsupervised for hours at a time are just asking for trouble...digging...chewing...the dog simply gets bored and starts finding things to do. But, one thing you could do is invest in one of those outdoor runs. You can plant it on cement so the dog can't dig out and it gives them more space than a crate. You can also build a little shelter on one end of it so they can get in the shade or out of the rain. But, that doesn't fix the barking problem. I used to live next door to 4 beagles and they were kept out in the backyard all the time. There were times when they would bark nonstop all night long. It was really annoying. So, I could see your neighbor's point of view if Max starts barking a lot. Good luck with your situation!
Wendy3249: While your husband may think he is paying the neighbors back for their misdeeds, the fact is, if the dog is a consistant barker, you could be in trouble. Different cities/townships have different laws. You might want to check into the legal aspect of an unattended barking dog, before thinking about leaving him outdoors, for hours.
It is a nuisance (spelling?) law and all it would take is a written or oral complaint from just one neighbor and you would be investigated. Please provide him with a suitable dog house if you are leaving him out for any period of time. Just being allowed to go "under the deck" may not be considered a suitable shelter by animal control.
My 2nd yellow Lab was a barker, not consistantly, but enough to be annoying. She'd bark at the kids going by on the streets, the bikes, the birds, the grass growing sometimes. She had an annoying high pitched bark, which carried through the neighborhood. In fact, I got turned in for her barking, by a neighbor that lives 6 avenues away! Not that she could bark through 6 blocks of houses, but I live in a rural setting and believe me, the lack of houses cause a dogs' barking to carry a long distance.
Perhaps you could invest in a citranella barking collar. I paid so much per month at the vet's and after I paid so many times, the collar was mine. That way, if you didn't feel that the collar was working for your particular dog, you could just bring it back at the end of a month or two and not owe anymore. The cans of spray cost me about $6 per month, perhaps you could find a website that sells the spray cheaper.
I'd hate to see you get into legal trouble or possible lose your dog, due to his barking while you are at work. I am not criticizing you, only trying to help. We went through the annoying barking dog routine once and learned our lesson well.
Thanks for all your advice. I want to be a courteous neighbor. I don't think it is right to be annoyed by a barking dog. I wouldn't want to be. Maybe a bark collar with a doggie door would work. Max doesn't just bark constantly, but he barks at silly things. Birds, squirrels, kids walking by etc. I'm sure he doesn't think they are silly and very much in need of being barked at. LOL!!! Ah, just realized something. I can't have a doggie door because of Toby. Well, back to the drawing board. Maybe we will just have to continue to keep crating and forget about the back yard while we are not home.
wendy- most of it has been said, but heres 2 more thing. first, i agree there are noise laws, but they are usually in effect 10 pm to 8 am or something liekthat. my neighbors have an outdoor bloodhound (or something) and it barks all day and they dont bother tellign it quiet till 10 pm. i have seen the staties there so i am guessing someone has complained before.
also they have dog doors with keys. the door has a magnetic catch and wears the 'key' on its collar. the door will only open if the dog and key are near it. just an idea.
if you build an denclosed run, it wouldnt matter they both could come in and out safely and freely.
mine are jumpers adn diggers and go nowhere unsupervised. snoopy has destroyed the new area rug singlehandedly in a matter of minutes.
not to mention what people can do to your dogs while your not home...The experence I had made my dog aggressive to others...With things getting thrown at him and shovels lunged at him he started to get nasty. Also...if people who sleep during the day eventually will get ugly from lack of sleep...I do when I have insomnia for several days on end...I would hate to have constant noise bothering me...makes for a bad nieghbor sittuation...Good Luck
I like the dog run idea as well. If you built it in a way that it had a roof too, then that would protect him from the sun beating down, and from other animals getting into his run. Also, if there was a doghouse in there, he would have somewhere to go to sleep. For the barking, you could maybe try one of those citranella collars from the vet and see if that helps? I think that if he can be outside without annoying the neighbors and getting out, that it would be good for him while the weather is nice :)
Here is what I would do, and I really think it is the mature and common courtesy thing- call your neighbors and explain the situation (you would like to let him be outside during the day but are concerned that he might bother them). Ask if they would mind a "trial day outdoors" where he was left outside. Explain to them that you don't know if he will be a problem barker, and won't be home to tell him to hush that one day, if he is. Arrange to call them after he has spent the day outdoors. Ask if he was quiet or a problem. If he was a problem, then keep him indoors. If he wasn't, then you allow him to be outdoors but tell your neighbors to please let you know if he becomes a problem as you will see to it that he is then kept indoors. Give them your phone number to call you if he is being a problem.
This sort of open, friendly approach will be much better than just throwing him out there and the neighbors potentially getting mad and feeling unable to call you to complain about your dog, and possibly getting so sleep deprived as to let the dog out to get hit by a car or something.