I've got a problem and need advice... I have spent 30ish years working with animals professionally one way or another. The last 20 have been as a groomer... I am always about responsible pet ownership... and on a personal level am extremely intolerant of wreckless breeding. I may not have seen it all... and I pray I never do, but I have seen too much and I intend to make a difference no matter how small. In all my years I have never had a client that refused to listen to my good advice about whether or not to breed their dogs. I have a client with a very cute dog that he paid a lot of money for..... the papers say it's a Bichon. If you took a PBGV and shrunk it down to 20 pounds, made it solid white and gave it a fairly good undercoat for the breed you would be looking at this dog... however... I haven't seen any PBGV's as bow-legged and out at the elbows as this supposed Bichon is. He bought a cute little girl that I would consider "worthy of breeding if you had to" BUT NOT to him!!!! He won't listen, it's the plan... I don't want to take out my distaste of the mans plans on his little dogs.. not their fault... but I don't want to groom them anymore either. I plan to be honest with him... do you think I'm nuts?!
Education for your client is a key factor here. Maybe he's not quite sure of the breed standard? You could inform him that it's just not ethical to breed a dog just because it's "cute". On the flip side though, how many of your other clients will he tell? Stick to your ethics, but keep in mind that word of mouth travels fast, and negative word of mouth travels faster, and lasts longer. I personally would be honest with the man as well, and let him know that it is an ethical thing.
You are not nuts. I have groomed in the past. I have told many people, even firmly, not to breed there dog. I would find a good breeder in your area and have your client contact the breeder. Let the breeder in on your conserns before they meet. Maybe if he won't listen to you he will listen to a breeder. I would not, however, tell your client the reason for the meeting. Just say something like, "I found a wonderful breeder who would love to meet with you about beeding your dog." I do sympathize with you. Best of luck!
I understand your fustration. Hes not going to see your side of things so its up to you. Youre not going to go broke if you tell this guy to get lost. But look at it this way, he'll just go else where. Wouldn't you rather keep an eye on the dogs for the dogs sake. I know how mad you are, but you are really there for the animals(Im assumeing). Regardless if the owners are mental cases. Sometimes I meet people like this and I will say to them..."wow you must be rich??Breeding dogs is very expensive, with all the vet check ups, wormings and Vaccinations. Of course you know how expensive it is to have an emergency like a c- section,Sometimes the pup are still born. All the pooping in the house, baby formulas from the vets, wow I wish I had that kind of money " I;m not really telling him what to do but talking on his level, he may think about these things on his own and change his mind. He'll just get defensive if you tell him what to do. I talked to this lady with a boxer. She wanted to breed. The dog was not 6 months yet. I said.."I guess youre not going to breed because you'll pass on the allergies to the puppies ?ay" The dog was showing some hives at the time. Well she thought about it and in about a month she came back and spayed the dog.
I agree with Sue that it is unlikely you will change this person's mind. But you should give it a try at least. I mean, look how many people come on this board asking ridiculous questions about breeding and when everyone tells them they shouldn't breed they just get mad and say something like 'I didn't ask your opinion on breeding, I just asked you how to do it, my dog is healthy and has papers and we want puppies!' Not once has any ever said, 'wow, I never thought of it that way, perhaps breeding isn't such a great idea, thank you everybody for showing me the error of my ways.' People don't want to hear they are doing anything wrong. But good luck..I hope you get him to rethink what he's doing.
Hi guys, I've been sitting on this for a few months now and been working on the owner. The problem is "He bred champion great danes over 20 years ago and knows what he's doing". He complained that the head was not groomed small and round right in the beginning. I told him then that it was very difficult to get the bichon headpiece look with a dog that had ear leather that were so long and hung down below his neck...... and, sparse wiry ear hair. That's just the beginning. Discussing his twisted legs.. oh, he doesn't even want to go there. One of my early faults was that I was too easy of a pushover.... I would feel sorry for dogs, turn my back on bad owners and just work with the animals. I have decided I am going to send him a nice card asking him to please neuter his boy Dusty. I will share that when Dusty was a puppy he was so sweet and pleasant to work on. He has changed. I know he keeps them outdoors in a cemet run because their nails are worn down to small round barely nubs. He comes to me for grooming all riled up and horny as hell. The little girls hair is all rubbed out from where he's humping her all the time. He knows that I am getting older and have problems regularly with pinched nerves in my neck. From too many animals jerking on my arms over the years...... If he wants me to work on his unruly dog, he has to do his part of it. That's just the way it's going to be and I don't care who he tells. If they get pissed at me over that decision I wouldn't want them as a client anymore. He barely talks to me anymore as he already knows all the correct arguments against what he is doing. BUT... he keeps coming because I groom his dog well. He is in a social circle of about 15 or so clients that I also do that I know of. Most of them tell me they think his dog is ugly and support the responsible decision.... sigh... too bad... Dusty really was a cute puppy, just not a cute bichon puppy. Now, with his studliness coming in strong, he's not even cute anymore. He's coming up on 2 years now, and his girlfriend is pretty close to 8 months. I can not bear to see this little girl coming up pregnant pretty soon now I suppose. thanks for listening, I needed to blow some steam for sure. p.s. btw, he's going to have a hard choice coming up... I'm hoping his ego to continue to have "the best groomer" for his dog will overtake his desire to see him be a stud. I'm not holding my breath, but I'll let you all know.
Dusty and Angel were brought in for their grooming today. Angel was born 8/30/03. Dusty is a few months older. I have seen Dusty and his dad 17 times since he was a puppy. On 17 occasions I spoke of good common sense responsible pet ownership issues regarding breeding amongst many other topics. I have given very freely of my time with him sharing knowlege since I have known from the beginning that it was really needed in this case. NO GOOD!! I was informed today upon presentation that the dogs were extra dirty because she had come into season since her last visit and he had to use Vic's Vapor Rub to prevent them from mating. On her vulva and his nose. Well, the VVR was all over her face from licking it off, her hocks from her sitting down and he was a greasy mess. I was told that he had to keep the dog on Ace Promazine because he went so crazy while she was in season. He even had to separate them for two weeks!! Upon clipping her belly close her nipples were definitely slightly engorged and pink. She could be undergoing a false pregnancy, but my money is on the fact that she is indeed pregnant. I had to clip them short today, used a 5 blade and a 7 in the tighter matted spots. Made a cute teddy face on the male and saved what I could of her bichon headpiece and scissored her up. I apologized to her repeatedly as I worked on her and said that I was sorry I wouldn't be seeing her anymore. When he came to pick them up I couldn't be in the room. I had my husband hand them out and when they asked for the next appt card he simply said they'd have to call and talk to me about that..... and suggested that he doesn't even try until Dusty is neutered. The owner was not surprised. I will be providing the local animal control the address of this "breeder". His community has a very high licensing fee for unaltered pets, and each litter bred is supposed to have a fee paid on it also. Plus, fines etc for failure to license. He's going to really be mad at me, but he won't be able to say that he wasn't warned. I have tried to get him to be resonsible in a "soft" way. I'm pulling out whatever artillery I can now... and I am doing it for Dusty, Angel and their unborn puppies.
I agree with you wench> I dont care if this man bred championgreat danes before this he obvesly dosent know what the heck he is doing with these dogs. he dosent desrve them. I dont care. he is just out for the $. that bast**!
Sounds like you are doing everything possible. When I used to groom I would have done the same thing. Of course I did groom in Missouri were the laws on breeding and licensing are very lenient(sp?). Don't feel bad your standing your ground and taking action. The reason there are so many problems with dogs today is because people wouldn't stand up to the plate and make a difference. You have my applause.