I was over to visit my neighbor today, and when I rang the doorbell, their dog ran to the door and started to growl at me when the door was opened. So, my neighbor's father flipped the dog over and like kinda leaned over and looked it in the eyes, it seriously looked like it hurt....when the dog was released it just ran...... Later he told me it was called the alpha rollover and its a great training method....what do you think-and have you ever used it?
In past was considered good training. Presently most stuff points to not doing it. There's a lot of potential in making a dog angrier, getting bitten, and you aren't correcting anything, only reinforcing your forced dominance over the dog.. rather than training in better behaviour.
The Aug edition of Your Dog Newsletter (published by Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine at Tufts University) says otherwise. According to the article, "instead of being a forceful alpha, the owner's goal should be to become a leader-one the dog will look to for direction. Dominance and leadership are not the same thing. People attempt to mimic wolf communicative patterns, and aren't doing a very good job of it." I read another article in a different magazine (have to find it) that says basically the same thing. That so many people claim their dogs are "alpha", and there are actually very few alpha dogs.
Recently, after losing two Scotties that were from my own litters 10 and 12 years ago, I adopted a rescue bitch who was very sweet-tempered, although still quite young, and had had at least one litter (we do not know much about her background).
I had already put a deposit on a new puppy as well, and the 10 week old puppy came three weeks after the new rescue.
They seem to like and enjoy each other but they are constantly at each other, the puppy nips at the female's eyebrows and beard, and the bitch responds by rolling him over a couple of times, holding him down with her mouth open over his neck, and sometimes even putting her foot on his stomach.
What is worrying me is that the puppy is showing an unusual amount of aggression (not just the usual Scottie puppy fur-alligator stuff) with me as well as the young adult female adopted mama. I'm wondering if the bitch's quite aggressive dominance is causing him to become defensive. I'm not sure whether to but out of her attempts to train the puppy or not, but I'm sure tired of puppy bites. Of course I consistently yelp and ignore the puppy while I am washing out the bites.
I have several articles on my site (I have reprint permission) that explain this as well. George Quinlin is a well qualified trainer , one article is from Cornell and the last article is especially informative about this fast fading fad of treating dogs like wolves. Here is a link to the articles. http://www.pixiedustpapillons.com/train_papillons_phalenes.html
catlover, i get that mag too. i remember that article. wasnt the gist of it that a lot of training is modeled after wild wolf packs and that is no longer the best way? and to be a leader they *want* to follow instead of a dominant force they are *scared of* not obeying?
i have heard lots of things about the alpha roll, most of it not good. apparently it is very hard to get it exactly right so the dog understands what you are doing.
Yes, Eskie, you are right. The article states: "The basic fallacy is that pet dogs form a pack with you. That's nonsense. They don't even do it with each other... The root of the problem is that scientific studies on wolves have been oversimplified and misinterpreted. Many early studies were conducted on captive wolves in which packs were comprised of unrelated animals assembled by scientists. But later studies showed that, in the wild, wolf packs consist of a breeding pair and their offspring, and they live in harmony as family, with the juveniles deferring to the elders."
DogWatch Magazine (Cornell University of Veterinary Medicine) states "dominance describes a role that an animal assumes in a social relationship. Popular writings on the subject usually incorrectly imply that dominance is a personality trait, something inherent in the dog. Actually, a dog may be in a dominant role in some relationships, and in a subordinate role in others. So rather than dominant being a permanent state of affairs, it is likely to change based not only on the partner in the relationship, but also on the context. One dog may be in a dominant role when there is a competition over a toy-but in a subordinate role when the competition centers around the best spot on the bed. Labeling a dog as an "alpha" or categorizing a problem as being due to "dominance" can result in confused thinking about the motivation for a behavior and what should be done to modify it. Most behaviors that are attributed to "dominance" are unrelated to it."