The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)
I have always had dogs around my children but i NEVER,NEVER left a dog with my baby! People dont stop to think that just because the dog is the member of their family dont mean it still isnt a dog! Good lord I have pittbulls and could you imagine if I even let them accidently harm my children , I would look like a terrible person!! To knowingly leave an infant witha dog(any dog) is just stupid!
I think it was ridiculous to leave the baby on the bed while he left the room, regardless of whether there was a dog there or not. The baby could have received serious injury simply by rolling off the bed unattended. Children that young should not be left alone, let alone whilst being babysat by the family pet!
i agree the 6 week baby shouldnt have been alone. 6 weeks is kinda early to roll over but i hear you id be afraid it would gag and choke on back of smothered on belly if it was propped it may likely tumble unsafely why being UN supervised
how come headlines DONT read ignorant people have done it again
a man did not use good judgement when...................... why they blame animals in headlines humans are SUPPOSED to be smarter in the line up. i dont mean all but the ones writing the stories can be so lame to what they write
just my thoughts pretty soon theres going to be manadory pet liabilty insurance i wouldnt be supprized it would run like car insurance only if you dont pay they confiscate the animals or something
***Edited By: mzpeekabooicu on 1/28/2006 4:13:09 PM*** Reason: typo
No sympathy for the family? That's very empathetic of you. No, the uncle shouldn't have left the baby on a bed unattended, but let the consequence fit the crime!! We made the mistake of leaving our retired greyhound and 4 year old daughter unattended for a moment, and she was bitten on the head. You probably have no sympathy for us either, because we can't live up to your high standards every moment of our lives. That greyhound doesn't live with us anymore.
I don't think it's fair to put 100% of the blame on the people without knowing anything about the dog.
***Edited By: NoDogYet on 1/28/2006 1:33:15 PM*** Reason: add
i am NOT speaking directly in YOUR situation but i dont belive common sense MEANS high standards common drivited by the majority thats why its supposed to be "common" i am not starting a poll by this i just belkieve the majority would not have allowed the possibility of the tradgedy this thread started. i feel that its common knowledge to not leave a baby unattended THAT early in age but i AM just a mother of two now 16 and 17 1/2 i had my daughter at 18 and son at almost 20 i did not want any harm and was and still am the overprotective type perhaps i am sorry that a tragedy was in your family i also believe you were a protective type of your baby that young (6 weeks) and still are :)
***Edited By: mzpeekabooicu on 1/28/2006 1:38:55 PM*** Reason: typo
In my eyes..dogs no matter how well trained or trusted are still WILD ANIMALS. Unpredictable at best. Would you leave your six week old infant with a wolf? NO. Although our girls are very much part of our family, we leave no room for the wild members to forget they're dogs. People forget that just because your dogs sleeps in bed with you, sits and lays, endures a brushing and licks your hand that it is an animal. They eat off of the floor and poop in grass. I think sometimes people lose track of that. I'm sure the uncle feels worst. Such a shame.
I don't think it's fair to put 100% of the blame on the people without knowing anything about the dog. ................................
or vice versa WHICH is almost always done
but if headlines read different PERHAPS one would start thinking how to prevent that for themselves i look at all situations and think to my self i dont want that to happen just because i think of whats the worst possible thing that could happen if i do such and such and that included whom watched my child i do NOT mean that the parents should not have of let the uncle watch but we DONT know much on the uncle either and it doesnt matter to me directly does not mean i have HIGH STANDARDS '''''' just common sense
i do agree that theres a lot of people whom take life a little to lightly through decisions that they make...... (again i mean NO reference to you) but this is ONLY my personal opinion im not high standars lifestyle i own one pair of shoes that were hand me downs for 3 years i wore them soc security disability doent pay much i dont live the luxurous life FAR FROM THAT but i was raised to use common sense and to think all i ever head growing up think... think
i have attention deficiet hyperactiviy disorder i still use common sense
***Edited By: mzpeekabooicu on 1/28/2006 4:17:21 PM*** Reason: TYPO
The uncle was really stupid but I still feel sorry for the family. That is a horrible death. Hard to believe a Pom would do that but like stated before, it is an animal. Sometimes these dogs are jealous of babies.
Sorry -- didn't mean to rile you up so much. It's just a sore point with me.
We adopted a retired greyhound and were assured they were gentle and great with kids. You just have to make sure you follow a few rules (e.g. don't ever step over them, don't ever wake them up, etc.). Rescue groups do a good job of convincing you that the dogs are blameless in their plight, and this dog had already been kicked out of it's first adoptive home (they were not clear as to the reason). We were resolved to do right by this dog. We ended up having the dog for about 2 months. We made *two* trips to the hospital, both times for facial injuries.
We blamed our daughter. We blamed ourselves. Did we blame the dog? No. But that was wrong. We got all twisted in our thinking. Clearly, we needed to get the dog OUT of our house. It didn't matter if the dog was going to get hurt feelings from being booted out of a second home.
Now, after 4 years we are going to try again. We are taking it very slow and doing plenty of research first.
***Edited By: NoDogYet on 1/28/2006 2:04:04 PM*** Reason: grammar
I am glad you put your child first and got rid of the dog, that clearly shouldn't be around small children. That said, I trust my dogs with my children, and I have A LOT of dogs. Some of the younger ones don't have manners while playing with my 4-year-old son, so they are supervised.
In general I trust my dogs not to bite in any situation. Waking them up, near food, stepping on them, pulling ears or tail. They know they better than to even ACT like they are going to bite, or I would smack them. Period. I don't beat them, but I hit them with my hand, just like if my kids try to bite, I would smack them too. People baby dogs too much. If a mother dog is getting chewed on by a puppy, it is a swift bite back. Momma dogs don't take crap and neither do I.
I do the same thing, ali. We have a cat that will occasionally bite. She knows not to bite me, because she knows will get smacked (lightly - I think you know what I mean). She will occasionally bite my husband when she gets impatient for morning meal time. He picks her up by the scruff of the neck. That instantly brings on submissive kitten reflex.
The sore point I have is when many posters go on and on about "stupid people" with "no common sense" without knowing what all has gone on.
stupid people" with "no common sense" ..... ummmm........... i used the word ignorant- its derived from to ignore- as ignoring what could happen and not heeding caution i would like to belive that of the doorbell rang he'd of brought baby to the door with him. thats probablyy less time than getting a bottle perhaps i am overprotective stupid implies that they can not learn i did not say that im not offended by your comment should you feel i should be- im not i just wanted to point please dont start a round table story by changing what i said if you are going to quote me then quote but please do not reword my quote because then its your qoute
with that said im glad you decided to do research what breeds have you looked at and what do you like about those breeds :)
***Edited By: mzpeekabooicu on 1/28/2006 4:21:27 PM*** Reason: add
I guess I wasn't "replying" to your post exclusively. I have been reading the forums for the last few weeks and there seems to be a recurring theme in many of the threads. Today I hit the breaking point and needed to post.
I have ruled out almost all terriers. I think we've got enough "attitude" in the house already.
Several surrounding cities have enacted pit bull bans, so our nearby shelters have LOTS of pit bulls. Given our history, pit bull breeds are out, too. I know that most of them are extremely loving, but if anything bad were to happen, we'd never be able to forgive ourselves.
I am partial to several of the gun dog breeds, although we would not use them for hunting. We need to be mindful of exercise requirements. Right now, I am leaning toward some kind of spaniel, if we kind find a calm temperment. (assuming that exists!)
thanks its cool. im not mean :) if i got another dog i was looking at rat terriers have you had experience with those? i know terriers seem to be attitude classed as a handful are they really that more chaotic to handle like 2 yr olds lol
***Edited By: mzpeekabooicu on 1/28/2006 4:29:19 PM*** Reason: add