I have a chow/lab mix that i adopted oh 5 years ago when she was just a pup, but lately (past year) she seems to have been itching really badly. I took her to the vet and they said skin allergies, but they didn't know what to. And i feel horrible because i would take her to get tested what for but im not that rich. So every other day she takes an allergy pill but they don't seem to help. As well when she goes to get groomed she gets the heavy duty oat baths. I just don't know what to do anymore though. All she does 24/7 is itch and scrath and nibble on herself sometimes causing little sores. Is there any suggestions that anyone can give to me? Or possibly could this be something else besides allergies because its not just during the summer its as well in the winter. Maybe something with climate or elevation? Thanks much!!
A few questions.... 1) What food is she on? Often times it's not skin allergies, but a food allergy. Some dogs are typically allergic to grains, but others can develop meat allergies as well (beef is the most common) 2)what "pills" were you referring to? Not sure if the vet prescribed prednisone or not, but some dogs can have a reaction to it as well. If you are not already, try giving 25mg of Benedryl (human kind) per 50 pounds of body weight every 6 hours.
3) Do you wash her bedding frequently? Some dogs can be very allergic to certain laundry soaps or floor cleansers.... think about the cleaning products you use and how often she may come into contact... also fertilizers and other yard sprays... maybe not in your yard, but a friends or a parks, etc.
Many things to consider with allergies... it's a process of elimination to get to the heart of the issue..
Lastly, I suggest feeding fish oil... either buy it in liquid form with the pump top (many pet stores or feed stores have it, otherwise check out Jeffer's Pet online or other online pet supply store to order) You can also use human fish oil pills, although I feel the pump form breaks down better in the dogs' system... dogs with allergies are often lacking Omega fatty acids, and the fish oil can make a huge difference.
I might stop bathing her altogether for a while, to see if that makes a difference, and change her food, depending what she's on. The fish oil is a very good idea, both for skin ,coat, and essential fatty acids. Has the vet done a blood panel on her yet, to determine if it could be something going on inside? Good luck with her.
Yes i have used the fish oil, it seemed to help a little bit. The vet told me to try and get a dog food with out corn listed in the top 5 ingredients (i guess that can have an affect?) so i did that (her food has changed about 3-4 times now) have tried the Benedryl as well, seems to stop for a while or until she gets tired from it. As well, i'm not sure if its from the pills, fish oil, or dog food she has but she has started to gain a considerable amount of weight. I have taken her into the vet i don't know how many times to try the shots instead of the pills, and then back to the pills instead of the shot and it just seems as if nothing is working. Also no my vet hasn't done a blood panel on her but am now thinking i should take her in for one. Im considering taking her to another vet to get a second oppinion on things or a dermatologist for doggys. Does anyone have anymore suggestions? P.S I', not sure if this could help anyone think of anything but after you pet her even just one stroke and you smell your hands they smell, i can't really think of what the odor smells like, but its not a horrible odor but it isn't very plesent. But if that helps anyone know of what could be happening i would greatly thank anyone for their advice.
OK, the usual thing with food allergies is skin conditions, the dogs body is sucreating the toxins, which is the allergy. I am hopeing this dog is more Lab??Then get the coat proffessionally cleaned if not done already. Stop all dog treats, no human food..Nothing. The Veterinarian has a diet called Z/D ULTRA, it comes in Dry and wet, keep the dog on it for 6 weeks, and bath the dog occasionally to remove any of the secreations on the skin, its good to keep the skin clean, cause they tend to react to those secreation. Your sort of detoxifying the dog. And one more thing, the diet is not cheap, so only feed the recommended amount of food, which is good casue the dog shouldn't be overweight.OH and another thing, stop all those supplements like the fish oil etc. Its the proteins in food that dogs are allergic to, in this diet the protein molecules have been changed and trick the dogs body.Its usually not about certain ingredients. After the six weeks, you'll know weather or not things have gotten better or not and then you can make other decisions to keep him on that diet or go down to the next diet, which is Z/D Low allergen, or even the B/D diet can be a good choice. Good Luck Sue
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Catlover, you mentioned a God awful smell, which makes me think of staph or sarcoptic mange. I don't believe in feeding a food with corn in it, but it's because my dogs are allergic to it, and the diarrhea is unbelievable, if they get even a small portion of food containing corn. I really think you need to take your dog back and have a skin scraping and a blood panel done, as you say. To the previous poster, fish oil contains essential fatty acids, Omega 3 and 6, and is good for us too.
Well, if you are feeding a food with ANY grain products in it, I would be amlost willing to bet that is your culprit.... many dogs are highly allergic to any grains, be it corn, wheat, soy, rice, etc. Factor in the fact that you are changing foods frequently and not giving ample time for the dog to adjust, and you have major problems... it takes 4 or more weeks for the effects of a previous food to wear off..... I say avoid the vet prescription diet for now and check out D*ck Van Patten's Natural Balance Duck and Potato... they also have an entire line of Holistic and Allergy formula foods... a bit pricey, but typically well worth the money.
I also recommend not stopping the fish oil, and you should add Ester-C..... while it's great fro joints, etc, it's also a wonderful immune booster.
Lasyly, Do not use a typical pet shampoo (like Hartz, etc.) I recommend an Oatmeal shampoo or better yet, a shampoo and spray called EQYSS MICRO TEK... miracle worker on allergies and skin ailments... it's soap free and can be used daily.. it will not break down the skins natural oils, but help balance the skins PH and I can't say enough about it.
The weight gain is probably from the pills and medications. Steroids can cause very rapid weight gain (I imagine your dog has had cortizone shots and Prednisone pills) and take a real toll on the dogs body... they should be avoided if possible.
I would try an allergy food as I mentioned, the good supplements, the proper shampoo and take her off the meds...... give a good 4-6 weeks and see if you can tell an improvement..... use only Benedryl to control any outbreaks unless she has a major one... then it's to a new vet for a second opinion....
I would like to mention a skin scraping if it hasn't been done already... just realize it may take a few scrapings before any mite shows up if there are any....
Corn is of NO use to dogs...it is used as a filler. The companies claim it as a protein but in reality it does nothing. If it's available around you I suggest Canidae as it's the most economically priced "good" food there is. It's around the same price as purina or iams. Make sure that you stay on the food for at least 4 weeks and during that time cut out ALL other food, treats, scraps, etc. Hope this helps!
I'm not a specialist by any means and have never claimed to be one...I do however work at an all-natural pet store where I have been required by my job to learn as much about what's good for dogs as possible...and no corn is not needed for the food it essentially does nothing and they do use it with the crude protein with a lot of companies so again no I am no where near being a specialist but I have done tons of research for my job
My english bulldog has severe allergies, and the Dermatologist recommends bathing 2X a week in Malasab shampoo then using Resicort leave on conditioner..(no prescription needed). This seemed to help the best..mine also has allergy shots and takes hydroxizine.
Well I've worked in the Veterinarian field for 19 years plus. Worked with holistic Veterinarians (Homeopathic). You have alot more to learn about the process, be very careful on medical advise you give. And Canidea, doesn't that company claim all life stages, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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SUE: Well corn is put in dog food as an energy source, not protein. Its also used for a fibre source...
And if an animal has a protein intolerence, fish oils will not help the problem. The claim that corn is of no use to dogs, how do you know?Do you specialize in Canine Nutrition?
All life stages foods are rediculous....
RESPONSE: I am amazed that you would think corn in a dog's diet is a good idea. I went through years of veterinary training as well as animal behavior and no where in any nutrition courses was it stated that corn was a good food source for a carnivore. Do you EVER see canids in the wild chow down corn? No... the most amount of any major vegetation a canid takes in is the stomach contents of prey..... carnivores do not and should not eat corn or any grain products for that matter.... grain products (cheap fillers added to food to bulk it up) are the major cause of canids gastro-intestinal distress as well as organ breakdown... it is he*l on organs to break down these materials......even humans can't digest corn!
As far as what a canid should eat... meat. Canids require a high protein diet..... not a grain diet. All the cheap foods available today are mostly grains and other questionable fillers.... a quality food will have meat (not by-products)as the first ingredient and preferably as the first 3 ingredients... I will even go a step further and recommend a raw diet as the best for dogs.... pretty much every dog I have encountered with sever allergies had ZERO problems again being fed raw. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out!
As far as your statement on all life stages food....again... what do pups eat in the wild? Momma's milk for awhile, but then they begin to eat whatever momma regurgitates.... they don't eat a "special" food... they eat the same exact thing mom does. All food companies with special "formulas" is doing is creating a larger market base to make the almighty dollar! Most "puppy" formulas are way to rich for most dogs and cause very rapid growth which leads to dysplasia, arthritis and a number of other growth disorders or problems. I despise puppy food. A food that is all life stages has everything the animal needs and is balanced. It's not quite a raw diet, but it is the next best thing!
So to anyone reading this... do your research.... most vets do not know much about nutrition.. in fact, most nutrition courses taught in vet school are sponsered by Hill's Science Diet! Ever wonder why vet offices peddle that crap? Now you know! With the exception of a few of thier prescription diets, thier foods rate extremely poor....... Pedigree has a higher score!
Great point Bullymom! And to Sue I never said I was done with my learning nor was demanding I was 100% correct just offering my knowledge on the subject which is CORN IS USELESS and is unecessary in any food you feed your dog. Also All Life Stages just means that the food meets the requirements for each stage of life...puppy food is unecessary and like bullymom said is used to get more money...no offense but for having worked with holistic vets you sure are the opposite on a lot of your thoughts...just saying P.S. Canidae is a great resonably priced food that scored I believe a 112 on the grading list
Sue sorry but, most people in the vet field are VERY ignorant when it comes to canine nutrition. I bet you disagree with raw diet right?
Catlover, what brand are you feeding? I'd try Wellness Fish & Potato, lots of dogs do very well on it. You can also add a raw egg to her food a couple times a week.
Try washing her bedding in a hypo-allergenic detergent (ALL makes one) about once a week. Air purifiers and humidifiers will help too.
She could be allergic to food, or dust in the air, the grass, anything. You won't really know unless you test. Bio-medical service does a test for $240. I know its pricey, but maybe put a few dollars away a week.
Well she stopped itching for a little bit after i started to put more meat into her diet (which she seems to like more). But its still an ongoing battle, and i thank everyone for their suggestions. Yeah that test is a little bit pricey but hey if its going to help her I'm willing to save. I'm making her a vet appointment at one of the vets my mom takes her pups to, to to see if i can get her opinion on this situation and we'll see what happens from there.