We have a 1.5 year old neutered male bull mastiff that my husband had given to him as a pup from someone at his work (yes he is 100% pure bull mastiff). We also own a 8 year old american bull dog, also neutered. They had always gotten along great until now. Our ab has become so possessive of any toy, play time with a human, attention, etc.. He really seems to have gotten quite grumpy the past year. Well I guess the bm has now matured to the point that he isn't taking the attitude anymore. We are always really careful about playing with them seperately, 1 outside, 1 inside. They are never left alone together. Crated when nobody home. We have had a couple of minor incidences until tonight. I was walking them out back around the ponds and was chatting with my sister-in-law and had to remind my 13 yr. old son not to engage any play with the ab when I noticed that was what he was doing. Then came the 2nd warning from me to cut it out and then 5 seconds later all he** broke loose and the fight was on. They were trying to kill each other. We were able to separate them after several minutes of my screaming to my son to grab the ab's rear feet up off the ground while I did the same to the bm. Lifting the rear legs off the ground wheel barrow style is a great way to separate fighting dogs but you have to be sure to have 1 person for each dog to do this, otherwise the free dog just causes more damage to the other. Anyhow, I called for help once we got them apart and rushed both to the vet. The ab is in really bad shape. He has severe wounds and lost a lot of blood. I think it would be safe to say that our bm almost killed our ab. This situation has become too dangerous and we cannot possibly keep them both anymore. I figure because of his youth the bm will be easier to place than the ab. In the meantime I am now having to keep them seperated permanently now.
That is very upsetting to hear. I understand were you are coming from. We had a BAD dog fight about two weeks ago were are 8 month old male hound dog tried to kill are shih-tzu yogi that is 6 years old and not fixed.We were in the house for 5 mins and when we came back out Yogi was laying on the ground not breathing.It was very upsetting. We are just keeping them seperated. But with to large and powerful dogs i don't think we could do that. After all with are dogs the hound is so lazy my brother cant even hunt with him and yogi is so small. so it all depends on the specific case.
This is not an unusual situation with such protective breeds especially males even neutered males. I just love it when people are told by vets that neutering will eliminate this type of behavior. Obviously such a vet has had little to no personal experience with the guard breeds. It is possible to have a multiple male dog household, but it takes a very knowledgeable person to keep the peace.Most people in all breed rescue are not prepared or trained to deal with large dominant guard dogs and are not eager to take them into rescue.
You could call the dog whisperer, he has dealt with worse situations than even yours, and your situation is pretty bad. I'm telling you that the dog whisperer could help you for sure, just give it some thought I guess. sounds like your having a rough week, hang in there, it will get better. If I were you, I'd take both dogs out for a walk, with a strong person holding the one dog and with you or somebody else holding the other, and if they try to attack each other during the walk, make them lye down and surrender like the dog whisperer.
If you mean Cesar Milan, I'd have to disagree. From what I have seen of him, his methods include both physical and psychological intimidation with little or no positive reinforcement. I think there are many, many better qualified trainers out there who DON'T resort to intimidation.
And yes, I'd have to agree there could be an underlying medical problem.
The average dog is a nicer person than the average person.
I Would NEVER reccommend that two people who are not properly trained even try to take dogs having these kinds of issues out for a walk or any other activity. I have been re-training guard breeds for 30 plus years and I find Milan's methods mostly not what I have found thru hands on experience to be effective. I also wonder if there is a physical problem behind the AB's change in personallity and if the BM isn't becoming more protective of the family members in response to a perceived danger. Then again it could be typical mature dog "I am boss" conflict with young dog " maybe it is my turn to be boss". Either way these are large powerful dogs and people need to stay out of potential danger.
Elih, the american bull dog does have a medical issue, he has some arthritis. We have to be careful not to over exercise him and not allow him to run a lot because he becomes sore and stiff for a couple of days. He is on Rimadyl on and off when needed and he takes a glucosamine/chondroitin complex supplement. He has always seen himself as the protector of the family and home, but seems to have taken it too far lately. This whole situation is our fault. Instead of giving in to my husband's desire to accept the cute, little bull mastiff puppy I should have first researched the breed because as soon as you look up the breed the first thing on temperament says that the males don't usually do good with other male dogs. Then we did what was recommended, neutered as soon as old enough and all seemed fine for awhile. Then I guess Sumo, the bull mastiff, has matured and decided he isn't going to be pushed around any more. I'm sorry to say that I have no interest in working this out between the two of them. Just too dangerous. What if one day something happens while my 13 year old is the only one home? He can't possibly separate two such powerful dogs. I wouldn't even want him to try as he could unintentionally be harmed. I think the only reason that my son and I were able to separate the two is because Elih was so injured, so my son was able to hold him. My son is a little string bean. Elih is far stronger than him. What if one day this happens again and one of my dachshunds jumps into the fight, which crazy as it sounds, would be very possible. Could you imagine the aftermath? What if the day comes that Sumo decides he ain't being bossed around by a cocky little male dachshund anymore either? Just too risky. Let me add that the bull mastiff isn't really the problem dog here. It is the american bull dog instigating the situation and the bull mastiff simply responding. Sumo is actually a wonderful family dog that I even allow to play, while laying down, with my dachshund puppies. He is simply behaving like a bull mastiff.
I tried to answer you through a PM. What area are you in?? - that would make a huge difference in who to contact through the American Bullmastiff Association. I am also on several lists that may be able to help you re-home your dog, rather than placing him in rescue. Also, who was your breeder, and would s/he be willing to take him back??
"No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich." - Louis Sabin
WOW< I was way off from what ya'll are saying, don't take my advice LOL
I never have owned a fighting breed before!
catlover, whats so bad about ceser millan, he never hits the dogs or abuses them, he saves them from getting dropped off at shelters. He has trained and saved so many dogs, and he loves them all, he actually makes the dogs feel secure about their surroundings, and a dog would probably rather feel secure than insecure. I give ceser credit for his work, he's in it for the animals. Catlover if one of your dogs was a red zone case, and you loved that dog so much, what would you do, put them down or call ceser millan, many trainers don't go anywhere with a red zone case. I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't get why everone thinks he is a terrible person for saving a dogs life one at a time.
I don't want to bash Caesar Milan but some breeds respond better to certain methods and other breeds will not .This is where experience with a particular breed is so important. The methods I would use on an Afghan are not the same as a Bullmastiff or Mastiff. I worry about people watching his show and then making the mistake of thinking they are prepared to deal with what could be a very dangerous situation.
A red zone case just means that the dog is dangerous, this just might be one of those terms by ceser. I don't agree with all of cesers ways, but then some of his ways are good, the good thing is he is not hitting the dogs, basically just comuinicating with them. I have never heard of those trainers before, are they very good dog trainers, and are they pretty friendly with the dogs. I hope you don't think I was trying to critize you, I just wondered why you didn't like ceser millan. I don't know if I would refer to dogs by his whole red zone crap thing, in my opinion, it seems kind of tacky.
I think reading the breed discription on TP of the Bullmastiff and the Mastiff will give some insight into the way these dogs think. Any dog that has been breed to work without supervision has to be very intelligent and independent. This is a very different personality than a Labrador or a Beagle.This is not a dog that will accept just anyone giving it commands. These dogs have to be treated as equals and with respect or they will refuse to do anything. Having a "Mollosser Melt Down" is a situation any person who has done obedience training dreds. This means a huge dog has gone totally limp in the ring and the person is dealing with a boneless 100 plus pound lump that will not move and can not be moved unless two strong men are available to pick the dog up and carry it.I think this is how Ghandi drove the British crazy, complete passive resistance.