let me start off by saying HI !!!!!!! it's been so long since i have been on here .... school is keeping me terribly busy, but in a good way =) hope you all are doing well !!!!
is it really wrong to engage in rough play with your dog, provided that they listen when they are told enough ? my son, being the soon to be put up for adoption teenager that he is, has always played very rough with his dog max. max is this little 22 lb daschund mix that we adopted a year ago. he's always wrestled with him, and allowed max to be very mouthy when they played. he's done all the things a dog trainer, and a mother, will tell you never to do with your dog. but max is really good about quitting when you tell him to. if you are playing around with him, and he starts getting to rough with his play biting, if you say ouch, or stop, he will immediately stop being mouthy.
so i was wondering if it is a really bad thing to play like this with him even though he will stop when he's told to. it would kinda stink not being able to play with him this way because he is so little that i have a hard time myself figuring out how to interact with him, plus its lots of fun rolling him around on his back and stuff cause he is so little and we can do it to him. can't roll around the other beasts they are way too big and would probably not find it as amusing as i do lol
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
HI, This is not a direct answer to your question, but it may help. My puppy and I are currently attending our second class; we did obedience first, and this one is more of a structured play thing, it's called "puppy gymboree". In both classes, we have played "tug". When the instructor in obedience class first introduced it, I think a few of us gasped, because at least for myself, every puppy book I had read said to NEVER play tug, because it would encourage the dog to bite and be agressive. The trainer addressed this right away (maybe she saw the look of horror on our faces), and said that those theories were very "1980's", and the current research and thinking indicated that playing tug is actually a good bonding experience for you and the dog, it's TONS of fun for them, and it's ok to do it... PROVIDED THEY OBEY THE "ENOUGH" COMMAND (or DROP command). When we do it in class, my puppy gets totally excited and goes bananas! she snorts, growls, etc! this would have freaked me out before, but now I know that it's ok. And of course, YOU are the boss, and you get to call the game off. I think some of this may apply to the kind of play you're describing. I totally agree with you, it IS fun to play with them like that; my Molly is a small dog too (Westie), and she has a ball when I'm tossing her around. She gets mouthy, but she knows that when I say ENOUGH, it's the end of it. Maybe someone else with more experience can provide more insight into this.
Biologically play, of any type has a very deep purpose. Play is the best vehicle for learning. Biologically this is very important. It's no coincidence that during the curcial phases of learning as a puppy, they play the most. Also, Play is fun and enjoyable, so when a dog does that with a human the have associations with that person of pleasure. Play is also the vehicle some bonds are formed, as is nurturing. Scout this is also a biological need in your son. Women tend to build bonds by nurture. Men by short bursts of intense play. There is a biological reason for this also. Since Mommu spend most of thier time with baby, that leaves daddy out...and free to do things like gather food, build shelter and defend the family. So when daddy finally gets to play with baby he does not usually have the time mama does to build a bond, so his play is short, but very intense. building a very powerful bond. Watch mothers with thier babies and daddies with the same babies.
Now as for rough play being bad...old wives tale. Play is never bad, in fact the daschund has learned that mouthing is an appopriate part of play. mouthing was once believe to be the prelude to biting. But it's actually the result of biting. The puppy learned somewhere that biting was unacceptable and toned it down.
Try to view play as chance to learn to listen. Not as a privelage only after a certain level of obiedience is gained.
You have seen my vids of addie..All that OB was gained by playing rough. My training sessions look like one big play session. Because my dog knows that playing means learing and learing is fun. and if I do what daddy says there is more fun to be had.
I believe a dog's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment he holds dear, is when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-with a ball in his mouth."
My son does the same with our Alaskian Malamute... has done it since he was small.. "Nash" knows that he only rough plays with that one son of mine... he's never tried it with any other member. I kept telling my son, you'll be sorry when he grows up. Well now he is around 100 lbs and he still likes to rough play.. but he will get the best of my son now. He even fakes he's a sleep and when my son walkes by he puts out his paw and trips him.
And now at bedtime, Nash jumps up on his bed and lays on his pillows...enough to say..I'm the boss.... until he's told DOWN.
As long as the dog knows the place and time and person to do it with and when to stop...it should be fine. But also remember.. if you have a dog like mine and you start doing it when they are small... remember they grow up and are more powerful! They might even roll you over and pin you down... ha ha ha ha
Same here. My hubby rough houses with our Dobe. But she knows she is only allowed to with him and only when he tells her its time, and she always stops when told. She does not try to rough house me or our son, or grandson. She remains super gentle with him. If you have trained them well, and have control over them, I see no harm.
thanks for all the replies. gunny what you said makes perfect sense. i guess i have just been a product of all the old school training. max will quit as soon as you tell him to and if he didn't then that type of play would have to be stopped. he's such a goofball and plays alot like a cat sometimes, curling himself up while we play and kicking with his hind legs and grabbing with his mouth. no wonder one of his nicknames is cat-dog lol.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
I don't think it's a bad thing to roll around on the floor with the dogs, I do it all the time. I usually can't get up because I'm laughing too hard...not sure who is playing the most! My dogs all try and get to my face, and shove their little snouts in every possible space, while I cover my face up. My boys have always played rougher than me, putting them in fake headlocks, or pretending to bite their legs...they love it.They know when to quit, and it gives them great exercise.
I roughhouse with my dog. We started when he was a puppy but whenever he would play with his teeth, we would give the command "no biting" and he would stop using his teeth. Granted, his mouth was still open but he wouldn't bite at us. Its funny how they know when to play rough and when not too. I'm not 8 months pregnant and since about 3 months into it, he stopped playing rough with me, in fact he has become the laziest dog. I have to coax him into even playing tug of war with me. He still plays with my husband though.