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Hailee22509
Posted: 9:50:53 PM 7/2/2009
Hello guys if you buy a dog at a pet store and the breeders name is ***(I think that's how you spell his name) do not buy the puppy or dog. Because he owns a big puppy mill so please don't buy dogs from him.

***Edited By: lpn169 on 7/2/2009 11:59:02 PM***
Reason: No names permitted
Nikki09
Posted: 3:42:19 PM 7/3/2009
I just have a question...If nobody buys these dogs from these puppy mills then what happens to these poor animals? Shouldn't we buy them and give them a better life rather than ignoring them and watching them continuously suffer. I'm not saying that we would have to keep them for ourselves but shouldn't they have a chance for a better life than what they are be offered?

Just curious. I see a lot of posts saying NOT to buy them but I worry that if we just leave them and ignore the obvious then I would think we are just as heartless as these people doing this to them.
oxfordbostons
Posted: 4:03:44 PM 7/3/2009
It's kinda like a Catch 22 if you think about it. Yes, they need good and loving homes but in my experience, when people buy from puppy mills/pet stores, the "breeders" (for lack of a better word), see their puppies being successfully sold and therefore it only encourages them to breed more and more!

Around these parts, if a pet store is unsuccessful in selling the puppies, they are returned to the owner after about 4-6 weeks. That's when I start reading ads in the local Buy-Sell Trader "free mixed puppy to good home" and such as that. If they do NOT sell in the store and they end up giving them away, we hope it makes them subside with the breeding process.

Best of luck!
Friends will step in when the rest of the world steps out.
illusionminis
Posted: 6:48:00 PM 7/3/2009
Every puppy that is purchased, keeps that puppies parent and any kept sibling in He**. It is always tempting to save that cute puppy, but the parents of that dog, and every other dog are still stuck in tiny cages, in some states outside in freezing temps, and never see a vet for anything including broken limbs. here in PA, you are still allowed to shoot your dog, so that is what happens to alot of puppy mill dogs and puppies.

Just like in any business, the losses have to outweigh the profits. it is sad for both the puppies and the dogs in the puppy mills, but if everyone buys that cute face, it will never stop. more and more dogs will be subjected to that horrible life.

Saving one condems many, it just isn't worth it.
BIG HEARTS IN A SMALL PACKAGE
Posted: 7:30:44 PM 7/3/2009
It's not a "Catch 22" at all. There are many rescues that work with puppymillers and are willing to take dogs they can no longer breed or weren't able to sell. If you want to help out a puppymill dog, adopt one from these rescues or make a donation. DO NOT BUY ONE!!!!! You are only making things worse!!!!
oxfordbostons
Posted: 9:07:12 PM 7/3/2009
I agree, rottluvr. What I meant was it's a no-win situation for the poor puppies that no one buys. They either have to stay in the pet store until someone buys them or they get sent back to their "owners" and then they are given away or kept for breeding as soon as they are able.

It's very sad and I feel so bad for every one of them!
Friends will step in when the rest of the world steps out.
Posted: 9:29:22 PM 7/3/2009
Many rescues go to every mill auction they can find and try to buy the dogs so they aren't sold to another breeder. And much of it is done undercover so millers don't bid against the rescues and run up the prices.

The dogs can have any number of physical or emotional probelms. Usually millers don't spend $$ on a dog UNLESS the medical problem interferes with breeding. The dogs can range from totally unsocialized, to dogs who are used to humans. The unsocialized dogs will usually spend a lot of time in rescue before they are adoptable, but many rescues are very willing to give them the time and love they need.

Buying from a puppy store allows these mills to continue keeping dogs in cages and considering them a cash crop. There is not a dog in the world that deserves that fate.
ruffian
Posted: 10:02:55 PM 7/3/2009
Sorry but buying them from the auctions is no different than buying the pups from the pet shops, you are opening up space for them to rotate younger dogs in, and helping line their pockets. If they call for a rescue to come take the dogs then that is completely different.
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Hailee22509
Posted: 10:36:47 PM 7/3/2009
I know what you mean Nikki09 but I am saying this because if you buy a puppy from the breeder the puppy mills keep going and going and it is just so sad knowing that these dogs/puppies are suffing in these horrible conditions and are not taken care of.
You gotta love puppies!
Posted: 2:10:57 AM 7/4/2009
Ruffian, the auction dogs are often sold for as little as $25 and the millers can and do loose money. I do understand what you are saying, but if the millers can't make enough to support themselves they won't do it anymore. I think getting the millers to turn the pups over for free is best, but it's not always feasable. And remeber the rescue is going to find the right home, not just the person with a credit card.
ruffian
Posted: 2:21:43 AM 7/4/2009
$25 is making money, they more than likely bred that dog, he is only selling them because he has too many males...from breeding, or the females have stopped producing to his liking, thus he has made who knows how much money he has made off of her. By all means have the rescues buy them, but dont fool yourself into calling it a rescue, it no more rescue than buying a dog from a pet shop, IMO.
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angelpugs
Posted: 12:22:39 PM 7/4/2009
Rescue groups go to these said auctions to try to save as many of these lost souls as they can,as they love these animals and if they can step up to save just one that means alot,they get these animals take them to their vet and all are vet checked and all have their shots and they are evaluated in their foster homes to see how they react to children and other pets to make sure they are placed in the right loving home as some can not be adopted out due to a serious condition they stay with their foster families who love them and care for them.It takes alot out of a person especially when your so involved and you have one or two that may have some sort of cancer and you spend every waking moment taking care of that one animal just to lose them to these illneses,it's a rough road for all these rescues,at least their trying to make a difference.
ruffian
Posted: 4:36:21 PM 7/4/2009
I do realize what the rescues do with the dogs , doesnt change the fact that you are giving the millers money for a product that they are selling. As long as their products are being bought they will keep pumping them out. The only way to stop them is to stop purchasing from them.
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illusionminis
Posted: 4:46:40 PM 7/4/2009
I have to agree with Ruffian, at those auction, the rescue do more harm then good. Every dog they purchase, is money in the millers pockets and reason to continue to breed the dogs. If the rescues are called in to pick up unwanted dogs, that is one thing. The rescues that go in to purchase dogs are no better then the people who buy the dog from the pet store. Everyone even rescues needs to turn there back on the millers and not purchase anything, no matter how hard it is.
BIG HEARTS IN A SMALL PACKAGE
Posted: 8:15:37 PM 7/4/2009
A lot of people feel that rescues should not get auction dogs. I disagree, but understnad the argument.

I do know one thing - the dogs I get from auctions will never again produce another puppy and they will live their lives knowing love and security. And, as a rule, it cost the millers $$ because they still have entrance fees, travel costs etc.
illusionminis
Posted: 9:43:34 PM 7/4/2009
I can definatly understand both sides of the story. I just wish we had the resorces and money to kick the USDA out of the commerical kennel spot and hire people who actually care about the dogs to do inspections. If peta and AR people really wanted to make a difference, that is where they would start their fight.
BIG HEARTS IN A SMALL PACKAGE
Posted: 11:06:55 PM 7/6/2009
I don't think we need commercial kennels period! Dogs should come from loving homes and dedicated breeders. Not a broken down barn or even a spotless kennel facility.
Nikki09
Posted: 1:03:33 PM 7/7/2009
WOW! Maybe I shouldn't have raised the question...LOL J/K
I completely understand what everyone is saying. I hate seeing what happens to these dogs just as much as the next person that's why I asked. I thought that if we leave them it makes it worse but I guess it really doesn't matter either way. It's still bad for these dogs.
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