I noticed on your post you said there is really no such thing as an applehead or whatever. I did not know that. When I got Ariel I looked it up on the internet and read in some books and they used the term. Enlighten me. Is this another one of those ploys, like tea cup? Have a good day! Rusty the Golden Retriever http://www.dogster.com/?68489 Bailey the Pug http://www.dogster.com/?68491 Ariel the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?68494 Lady the Greyhound http://www.dogster.com/?78537
I know this question was not directed at me but I hope you do not mind if I add my 0.02. I have done some research on chi's and from what I can say that I have read and discussed with breeders. The term applehead refers to the shape of the chi's head and is standard according to AKC. "Head A well rounded "apple dome" skull, with or without molera." I have seen chi's that are considered to not have appleheads and I took that to mean they are not a purebred. This is just what I have found.
Gina, I'm definately not as knowledgeable about chi's as Allie, but I know when I was doing research on chihuahuas it basically said two sides of the story. There are people that believe in 'apple heads' and 'teacups' and people that don't. By talking to breeders, some people do not like the term because they think it is a marketing term. A profit getter. By AKC rules, chihuahuas are only classified in one size. They are not like poodles, which, according to the AKC come in toy and standard. So when people say they have a 'teacup chihuahua' or 'apple head chihuahua' they say there is no such thing because registeries don't recognize it. The people on the other side however feel that it is okay to use this term because they agree that's its not a recognized term, but they use it to refer to what they look like. These kinds of people get mixed up with the people that use it for profit. When I got my chihuahua I told everyone she was a teacup chihuahua. I wasn't doing it to make it seem like she was a rare type of chihuahua or anything, I was only doing it because that is how I described her size. She was 11 months old and literally the size of an 8 week old chihuahua. She was way tinier than a typical chihuahua. I think the same is true for apple heads. There is no such thing as far as breed is concerned, but I think some people say apple head when they are referring to a certain shape of head the chihuahua has. People also have terms for how long their noses are, how long their bodies are (short bodies are called cobby). For me personally, I think these terms are just a way to describe how they look. But I think when people use these terms to make more money, then they are scamming. The breeder I bought Snickers from said she was a teacup chihuahua, but I got her for 400. The same price as the rest of her litter. The rest of the litter was twice as big as Snickers. I think teacup is just a fancy way to say 'runt'. And applehead is just a fancy way to say small rounded head (commonly associated with a teacup sized dog).
I shall enlighten you :D There is no such thing as an "applehead" or a "teacup" Chihuahua, or any breed, for that matter. These terms ("tiny toy," "teacup," "pocket," etc.) are used as selling words, since "teacup" apparently has a magic affect on people when choosing a toy breed. If it is teacup, they want it. But if the "breeder" (I put that in quotes since no good breeder would use these terms) says that this is a "teacup" Chi, they will buy it for some astronomical price that the dog isn't even worth half of. "Teacups" are simply runts, and usually have more health problems. ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
Of course I don't mind who answers. I just directed it to Allie because she mentioned it in another post. I agree with what huntersmom said 100 %. It really makes a lot of sense. When we got Ariel (before I knew any different) we bought her advertised as a tea cup, apple head. Now, like you said, we didn't pay any extra for her, only $275.00. But it does describer her pretty well. She definately has the rounded head. I don't know how much she will weigh when grown, but she is 7 1/2 months and weighs a little less than 4 lbs. She just doesn't realize it. She thinks she's as big as Rusty. It's really kind of funny. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. It doesn't really matter, we're not breeding, and we love her to death. I just wondered after I saw Allie post that there was no such thing. I understand now. Here's a funny: My son is 11 and he is a BIG animal lover, like his mother. The other day I overheard him call Ariel little cherry head. I couldn't help it, I started laughing and he got mad at me. Then he finally asked what is was she was called again, and I told him applehead and he's been calling her that every once in while. Little cherry head, it was soooo funny. He didn't think so, but I'm still laughing right now just remembering. I really didn't try to embarrass him, but I couldn't keep from laughing. Have a good day! Rusty the Golden Retriever http://www.dogster.com/?68489 Bailey the Pug http://www.dogster.com/?68491 Ariel the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?68494 Lady the Greyhound http://www.dogster.com/?78537
In MY opinion, if I wanted to name the head, I would call it a "plum head!" It is roughly the size of a plum! I compared Allie's noggin to my snack one day, LOL! ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
LOL Allie. If you could have heard him though, it was so funny. Maybe I'll tell him that, plum head! ROFL Have a good day! Rusty the Golden Retriever http://www.dogster.com/?68489 Bailey the Pug http://www.dogster.com/?68491 Ariel the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?68494 Lady the Greyhound http://www.dogster.com/?78537
Well, I spead enlightenment and some blond around :D Tell your son I said HI! BTW, how was the daaaaance??? ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
Allie, you are so funny. It wasn't my son that went to the dance. He is way to shy to even consider it. :) Color your hair girl. J/K, lol Have a good day! Rusty the Golden Retriever http://www.dogster.com/?68489 Bailey the Pug http://www.dogster.com/?68491 Ariel the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?68494 Lady the Greyhound http://www.dogster.com/?78537
cherry head..that's too cute! Hey, better watch out....new marketing term the bad breeders will use! lol "We sell itty bitty, tiny, toy, teacup sized, cherry headed chihuahuas! Buy yours now for only 8000 dollars!"
that is pretty cute to call it a cherry head. My chi is 5.5lbs so his is more of a minture apple shape head. http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=80151 Allie- what was the name of the breeder you got your chi from? I saw on your dogster page that her show name is Tiny-Paws Mischevious Allie. Was the kennel called Tiny-Paws?
Allie, where are you getting that there is no such thing as an applehead? That is different, way different, from saying that a chi is a teacup. An applehead is in the standard, a teacup size is not. Also, don't show me some site that proves you right, because, saying that there is not such thing as an applehead is the same thing as saying that there is no such thing as an underbite, dish face, dome head, hare feet, or an undercoat. So I guess that if their is no such thing as an applehead, then both chili and allie are doe heads. But wait! If there is no applehead then there is no doe head. Then they are just some scruffy cross breed that just happens to win in shows! Where do you get this stuff? edited to add: And, the fact being, if an applehead is in the standard then there is such thing. And when people use applehead to sell their chis, then at least they bred well because applehead is in the standard whereas teacup or pocket toy chis is not!
I am not saying that there is no such thing as a Chihuahua with an apple head. I am saying they are not a different breed than Chis with doe heads, so they should just be called "Chihuahua," not "applehead Chihuahua." ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596
lol katz! That's how I feel too. I don't get why these terms are so offensive. I guess to me, when people say 'apple head' or 'teacup' they aren't making a new 'breed' of chihuahua, they are just using it to describe a certain way some chihuahuas look. I personally think any chi under 3 pounds is a teacup. Because according to AKC, the size is 3 to 6 pounds. So under 3 pounds is an abnormally small chihuahua (a runt) and I think teacup is just a cute way to say runt. I've also seen some chihuahuas that, to me, don't look like 'apple head'. It's hard to explain, but the shape of their head is different. Apple head to me is a really small round head. Kinda like doe headed or deer headed is for the ones that have shorter snouts. Like, if I saw a dog with a short snout, I wouldn't say, 'hey there's a chihuahua with a shorter snout than most!' I would just say, 'aw! A deer head chihuahua!' lol
AKC standards state that: a Chihuahua should have a well rounded "apple dome" skull. That is why people describe them a apple-headed. And since I have bred Chi's for years-- to clarify the situation of "runt" Chihuahuas that people term "Teacups": These are NOT runts. A Chihuahua has a breed related inclination toward open fontanelles. When these do not grow closed as they should, the Chi pup does not ever reach its maximum potential in size. These "runts" are actually born the very same size as the rest of the litter. Whole litters can be small because of Open Fonts which is not always a hereditary trait; as two closed fonts can be bred and still produce open fonts while two open fonts can produce closed fonts. I have always said that Chihuahuas are a true 'Breed Unto Their Own' because you not only have to take into consideration the pair in questions but also the many ancestors. The Chihuahuas in particular can produce pups that transcend MANY generations. I don't think you ever truly know what you are going to have. (i.e. Colors, coats, apple/deer heads. And one more thing, A "deer type" Chi is the term loosely used to describe an outside-the-AKC-Standards Chihuahua. These typically have longer noses than preferred, and a smooth eliptical head as opposed to the "apple dome". WHEW! I hope this has helped the Chihuahua peeps!
Yes, and thank you!! I show Chihuahuas as well, but in the standard there is no perferred muzzle length. So you could have a Chi with an apple dome head, but with a tad longer muzzle. The stop is still 90 degrees from the head, however. The shorter muzzles are just "in." ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 ---Mönica the Kitty http://www.catster.com/?57596