Hi, I am in a weird situation. I bought a Shih Tzu from a woman named Tamara, who bought the dog from a breeder in Georgia, by the name of ****. When I bought the dog, Tamara told me I had full breeding rights, but she couldn't find the papers at the moment. I, not knowing any better, as this is my first dog, took her, without questioning her. Anyway, what I didn't know is that when she bought the dog from the breeder, the breeder had promised her breeding rights, but sent out the papers as limited. Tamara called her and told her of the mistake, and the breeder said she needed to send her $25 to correct it. She did, and the breeder did nothing. A lot of time went by, and she never changed it to full registration.
A year later, I buy the dog, trusting that the papers will be sent to me when Tamara finds them. They have never been sent, and when I question her, she says she absolutely cannot find them anywhere, so we will have to contact the breeder. When Tamara calls the breeder, just to ask if she can get duplicate registration papers, the breeder tells her she doesn't have time for this, and she lost the file, so too bad. Tamara then writes her email saying she knows she has to keep records of her dogs, so she couldn't have lost them, and she will call the AKC and ask them what they can do to help her. The breeder then writes back, furious, saying "oh, guess what, I actually did find the papers, but now I'm not going to help you because of this email."
I have no idea if she actually did find the file, or if it's still lost. But I do know that whether or not she truely has it, she will not help me out one bit. I have emails from her stating she will not help, and she will not change the limited registration to the full, as she was supposed to do. The latest email that I sent her, I told her I have asked her repeately very nicely to give me the papers that she is legally obligated to give to me, but since she hasn't, I am going to make some phone calls to some offices in Georgia. I then told her that I will consider changing my mind if she responds. (I was hoping to God she would, as I did not want to go forward with any of this. I did not want to cause problems in any way for her, all I wanted was the papers)
I also called her once from my cell phone, because after Tamara called her from my house phone, she blocked it. I left a message, basically saying what I said in my first email to her. She calls me back, and leaves a message on my voicemail saying never call her again, because she's not going to give me any damn papers.
Days go by, and I call the Georgia Department of Agriculture, because someone told me that's who I should call, since she's a licensed kennel. An inspector goes over to her place, but I don't know what happened, because he did not call me back, the report isn't officially filed yet, and he's on leave. I called Lynda a few days later, telling her that I have the papers in my possesion to file a suite against her, but I do not want to do it. I leave my number on her answering machine.
Yesterday, she calls me back, and screams at me to stop calling her. She then tells me she is going to come to me, and "drag my little a** to court for harassment." She tells me to knock it off, because it's illegal to keep harassing her. Every time she screamed at me, I stopped talking to let her finish her rant. I never raised my voice in our entire conversation. I am a timid person, and I can't handle it when people yell at me, so I just stood there, and listened to her talk about how stupid I was, and that I have no idea what I'm doing, and don't know anything about AKC. I agreed, saying that this is my first dog, and yes, I don't know much about AKC, but I do know that she has to give me the papers, and switch it over to full registration. ( that is what the basis of this whole problem is: she needs to change it to full registration.)
Is there someone out there that can help me with such a simple thing: get this breeder to finish this transaction? All she has to do is just fill out that little form that says I have full registration. I will even send her the $25 again! I am not asking her to go out of her way to help me. All I'm asking for is what I she obligated to give to me.
I don't think the breeder has to give you full registration. It seems like it was a misunderstanding between the original buyer and her and it is probally going to have to be dealt with by the original buyer. Weather she said she would change it or not, can they once the papers have been sent in? I don't know to much about it eitheir but I have heard they (breeders)have to keep track of all the dogs coming in and out or they can be dropped by the AKC. As far as seding duplicate papers they may consider it the responcibility of the lady you bought from.Why do you want her to have the full registration?
First of all, the woman who I bought the dog from lost the registration papers, so she had to go to the breeder to get those. The breeder said she would not help because Tamara threatened her. I don't think the breeder absolutely has to give out new registration papers, but they could if they would be nice. But I wonder, if the breeder won't do it, is there any way to register the dog?
Second, I was thinking about breeder her later, but I probably will not. I am just angered that first of all, I don't have the registration papers, then second, I was told I had full registration, and the breeder does not feel like giving me full registration. The breeder asked me after a few emails if I was a breeder. I responded no, because I am defintely not a breeder just because I had thought about it, and I will probably not even do it because of all the responsibilities a breeder must take on to ensure perfect pups will be produced, and I do not want to take on that responsbility, nor do I have the resources for that. Also, when I told the breeder I am not a breeder, she wrote back and this is what she said:
Original Message ----- From: lynda white To: J & A Pittman Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Shih Tzu Sale MS TESS
Then you don't need papers they are only good for breed/show. And 350 was cheap for the dog. I sell 800 with a spay/neuter agreement , no papers until proof of spay/neuter from vet. lw
This response would have been the right thing to say if the dog would have been purchased with limited registration. I am pursuing this because the principal is I bought an AKC dog with full registration. But even if I let that go, she STILL won't give me the papers. She blocked my emails, and blocked my home phone, my old cell phone, and my new cell phone numbers! She does not want me contacting her in any way!
She called me yesterday and screamed at me that she was going to bring ME to court because I was harassing her!
With AKC you have to keep records of all of your puppies you produce for 5 years. These records should have a copy of a contract and a receipt of payment.
If the dog is still in Tamara's name then she needs to contact AKC to obtain a copy of the registration so you can transfer the dog into your name. Since you don't have anything in writing saying Lynda will switch the papers to full breeding rights there's not much you can do. I wouldn't contact Lynda anymore since she's requested you not call her. I'm not sure if the laws are the same in your area but in my state she could persue a case for harrassment.
If you had something in writing or if you had a recording of Lynda saying that she would change the papers then you could contact your attorney general in your state.
I've had a similar problem before with obtaining PROMISED papers and since there was nothing in writing it was my word against her's.
You can also register the dog CKC. I hope I've helped and sorry to hear about your problem.
So were the papers she gave to the first buyer that got lost limited? I really doubt there is anything you can do but not having the papers shouldn't make the dog any less enjoyable. If its your first dog you probally don't want to worry about breeding. You could always try to get your money back from the first buyer since she is the one that said you had full registration. Did she say why she sold her? It may have been because she was on limited registration so she couldn't breed her.
I wouldn't bother the breeder anymore untill you hear back from someone that knows if you would have a right to full registration. If you don't she might be able to get you for harrasment so try to be carefull with that. There may be somewhere on the AKC site where you could ask but I'm really not sure. Just don't say anything bad about the breeder(Is lible written slander?can't remember) because it could end up that she really has nothing to do with it. It would be nice to send papers but if I was in her situation I might not. Especially if they were given limited and the first buyer insisted they should be full.
This is what I have in regards to the full vs limited situation:
"Paper work is between you and Tamera that whole litter was sold with limited Tamera was sick at the time and I only agreed to open them because I did not want to upset her any further with all the pain she was enduring I only tried to help her she is threating by trying to cause problems for me and and I am not the one to deal with when it comes to threats I stand my ground to the end." lw
She says she agreed to open them. And she sounds really nice in this email, but don't be fooled...this was the first time she replied to me, and she got meaner and meaner after this.
My first question is: How do I get the registration papers? Tamara doesn't have them, and Lynda won't give them to me.
Second: If I can get the first question resolved, I will be happy, but I would like to know if I even have a leg to stand on when it comes to whether the registration is full or limited. Her and Tamara talked on the phone about getting the registration changed, but obviously, there is no record of that. This is the only record I have of her saying she would give Tamara full registration.