last night we had another incident between salty and scout. i dont know what the trigger was because i had my back to them. all of a sudden i heard salty on the attack. it can be quite scary to hear because salty is SO quick and sounds SO fierce but yet there is never a mark left on scout. i immediately jumped up and in the fiercest voice i could muster i yelled at both of them to stop. they stopped immediately , which they always do when it happens and i let my roar out. last night after they stopped i grabbed salty by the scruff of the neck, still yelling, and escorted her to her crate. she spent a good half hour in there. she hates being in her crate so now the only times she is in there is if we are all out. she will usually whine and bark a blue streak when put in there cause she hayes iyt so much. well last night when i put her in there she didnt make a peep. i think she got the message she was on a time out.
i yelled at scout also and fely bad about it. she nevers starts the crap but i wanted to give her the message that this is unacceptable just in case she does start something one of these days.
now roday, they are totally fine, playing and acting like they normally do with each other. but then scout tried to take a bone away from salty and salty snapped at her. that to me is normal but after last nights fiasco i didnt want to let it slide so i squashed it and put salty in a downstay. i thought that was fair enough reprimand for what she had done.
do you guys let them have their squabbles so they can hash it out and hopefully get over what ever sets them off ? or do you squash it immediately ? i wonder sometimes unless i see blood whether i should just let them hash it out and maybe then it would be done and over with ? by my interfering each time maybe it will keep happening ?
90 percent of the time they are wonderful together. sleep on each other, play, etc. but once in awhile salty gets a bug up her butt.........
I let them discuss stuff, and my GSD who is Alpha does smack (litterly) the other dogs. I don't allow it to escilate to jaws however.
Normally I send the less dominent dog away and then I get in my GSDs face and tell him to chill the F out. I don't admonish him infront of the other dog, becuase he is in charge, but I do snatch him up and get in his face and remind him that I am also in charge and everyone gets to chill out.
I never allow fighting over toys, thats one of the fastest ways to blood. Anyone that fights over toys is put in hteir place.
So yeah, make sure Salty knows where she belongs, she sounds like shes entered into human testing mode.
When you interfere, you could just be makeing things worse. They need to work it out on their own. Scolding the more dominant of the 2 could actually put the other at risk of more fights. I go through this occasionally, especially if there is a change in my routine and I'm spending more time with them. If they fight I just stand back and wait for it to finish (If it was really severe I would deffinetly step in, say if I say blood splatter)But it never comes to that.
It totally depends. If there is blood involved, of course stop them. If one dog is actaully getting injured, stop them. If it is just growling and tackling, let them work it out unless it gets too out of hand.
I do the same, I don't interfere unless it gets really out of control. Granted, I have toy dogs, but they can be vicious little monsters, especially my bitch...she is alpha and will not back down. Letting them work it out amongst theirselves is so hard for me, but when I was interfering I was just making things worse (for all of us).
I do keep a special eye on Ricky because he does have health issues (poor vision & orthopedic issues in his lower spine/hips) and I don't let them take advantage of him, but so far they've never done anything but reprimand him. Pixie and Copper...that's a whole other story. I think those to would fight to the death if I let them...at least I know Pixie would.
That's one thing I love about males, they squabble and 10 min. later they're pals again. I swear Pixie holds a grudge...she is such a little bitch.
Well it scares me so bad when Max has jumped on Tina that I just stand there. I am afraid to interfere because I am afraid he will hurt her more. We have had to have her sewed up twice because him. The vet said to never leave her alone with him. He has never bothere Mandy, he just does not like Tina for some reason and he is so much bigger then her its scary. She jumped at him yesterday and tried to get him to play and he just walks away. She knows better than to try to play if he is playing with Mandy. She and Mandy get along great. But I would think interfering would make it worse. I don't really know what would be best. I would like to know too.
the only two that get into it are the pug and BC mix over food. i control things in that area unless i drop a piece of food and they both go for it, or some dog food spills when i am feeding and they both go for it. they get going and iti sounds ferocious although there are no injuries. i stop it by throwing something at or on them. last time it was a baby gate on top of them. then they both go into a down stay. when it sounds as intense as the above does i interfere. there are brief growls of surprise if one surprises the bc. but as soon as she sees who it is she stops.
Hey Scout, My two terriers love each other to bits, however they will fight over food & treats. I nip it right in the bud! I do not give it a chance to escalate. My male is the oldest & alpha over my female. What has helped is I fed, let him out the door first, give him treats first etc. before my female. Mind you they eat & have treats at the same time, it's just the order I do it in ever single time. At times I will alternate give one a treat & then the other right next to each other. However my male is ALWAYS given the first treat. This lets my male know he's the alpha & it lets my female know too. However they know I am top dog & will squish them like a bug so to speak if it comes down to it. A very loud & stern F'ing Stop it Now. gets their utmost attention. :) They stop right away! LOL! They both are 40 lbs each & not by any means small terriers but they are Terrors! LOL! Good luck! I have a spare pair of boxing gloves if ya need them! :)
I come between my dogs all the time but there has never been any blood shed. My rottweiler does not want my boxer greeting anyone so he grabs her back legs and tries to pull her away. I am the boss over the both of them and I grab my rottweiler by the back of his neck and tell him no! They do have their little spats and I have been told to never come between two dogs going at it but they are my dogs and they know I am the higher up over the both of them and when I come between them both, they back up into their corners and its all over.
I have owned virtually all large breeds. All my dogs, a few of them "show" quality have all been either spayed or nuetered. I have tried not to own two genetically aggresive males simultaneously. Two females behaving like that, never experienced it but not hard for me to believe. I owned a loveable but bipolar Bullmastiff and a just plain nasty Bouvier at the same time...both altered males.
As you said 90% of the time it was a happy family. Hate using percentages in a situation like this but the other 9% of the time it was a lot of alpha male posturing, btw...never really figured out which one was in charge...always a stalemate. Of course the remaining 1%...very bad happenings. Two very large, extremely powerful dogs really going at it...physically I could never pull them apart, that was about 260lbs of teeth and bad attitude. Fortunately I never got involved physically...other than escorting them to a harsh time out. My voice always worked, never failed me, not a heck of a lot of damage...few holes in ears here and there, some puncture wounds. Wait I was the alpha...lol.
I know what you saying, I am just unable to provide an absolute iron clad solution. No need for me to tell you, training is one thing, reaction governed by genetics and "survival" is another. e
I have to stop them all right before the others join if I don't it gets nasty. They don't fight inside but outside they do sometimes.If one has a milk jug they all want that one milk jug and my back yard looks like a mikl jug dump. :)
***Edited By: pharlane on 4/10/2005 10:35:16 AM*** Reason: need more coffee.
A dog's crate is supposed to be their "safe haven". You are NEVER supposed to crate to punish. For any reason. You should know this. Especially for a half hour. That's just mean, whether she bit another dog or not.
ETA: If you are going to punish her for BITING, use a training muzzle on her. Every time she bites, put the muzzle on. She'll get the picture soon enough.
***Edited By: FinCat on 4/10/2005 10:39:00 AM*** Reason: added info
i'm not sure a dog would see crating as punishment unless you yelled and did the "no no shame" voice while the dog was in there. the fight is over and since they don't associate things after the fact i think it's good to use crates as a cooling off thing for both dogs and humans.
Crates are great for a time out. I don't muzzle dogs around other dogs espcally ones that have disagreed. The muzzle puts the dog in a submissive posture and they cant defend themselves. Ask greyhound people about muzzling and letting other dogs run around unmuzzled, they can all tell you horror stories about it.
My crates are time our rest areas for everything. I can tell my dogs to all chill out and everyone goes into their crate. I use it when play becomes to much, when I'm grumpy and need some silance, or just when they need a break. I am big itno time outs with the dogs becuase they get themselves so worked up that they become unproductive.
A time out for 30 minutes? That sounds a little excessive to me.
The op did say she was yelling at the dog as she put her in her crate. Really, what's the difference between that and yelling at her IN the crate? I don't see a difference. The dog knew she wasn't being crated for a good reason.
As far as a muzzle and it putting a dog into a submissive position, that's not necessarily true. It depends on the dog.
Its a very common problem, and then to muzle one of the two arguing parties and not both? Not a good idea.
As long as what scout does keeps the peace in her home, it works for her. We all use our various trianing tools diffrently, but its the results that come from that. A thirty minute time out is fine, she probably needed to relax as well. And even thou both girls are altered, girls that get to fighting can get really nasty really fast.
I use the crate for Georgie sometimes when she is being too roudy or won't listen. It doesn't happen too often but she usually just settles down when we do. She loves her crate and goes in there to sleep all the time. Using it for timeouts has not changed that.
I am wondering the same thing. I have always had one dog at a time in the house, now I have one male 2-1/2 years old and one female just 1 year old today. The female has been here since she was 8 weeks and we just aquired the male a couple of weeks ago.
They don't show teeth or growl but they biker a bit, she has his entire neck in her mouth and he has her entire head in his.
I want to let them sort out the pecking order but since they are dobermans I am afraid of an eye injury and break them up right away. She is a little rough neck and the rougher she gets the rougher he gets and then she gets and he and so on.
They are both show dogs so I am also concerned about flesh wounds as I am spending a lot of money on them at this time. But on the other hand I don't want to deprive them just being household pets.