I was looking at this site that bred Golden Retrievers, not for any particular reason, I just wanted to look since I love Goldens, own them, and have owned them on and off for 13 years. Sorry, it's going to be a long statement.
Anyway, they claim to breed Golden Retrievers yet two of their pedigrees on the 'puppies' page says they are German Shepherds and in their writing it says German Shepherd not Golden Retriever. Also, I know for SURE that two of the pictures on the 'home' page at the bottom are not their dogs as they seem to be claiming, they belong to Tropico Kennels in California(http://www.tropicokennels.com ), a well respected kennel. They are charging rediculous prices for 1.) Dogs that aren't probably there...2.) That don't have the right pedigrees for that dog or breed...3.) The bloodlines in those pedigrees suck! I understand to charge that kind of money for a really good quality dog with good bloodlines and parents that have all health clearences, but for that, NO WAY! I'm going to pay $1,500 for a show quality, male Golden Retriever, Champion bloodlines(only a couple of dogs in his 5 generation pedigree aren't Champions), health clearences on both parents (hips, eyes, heart), health clearences throughout his pedigree(a full 3 generation of hip clearences), and many other things. So, I don't mind paying that much for this dog but I would never pay that much for a dog with those kind of bloodlines.
I can read pedigrees very well and know about all the different titles and what they mean, especially Golden Retriever pedigrees. I can also tell a really good quality Golden Retriever to a not so good quality or okay quality, just by looking at them and then confirming it by looking at their pedigrees.
I bet most if not all of those dogs on their website aren't theirs. Like I said before I know for SURE that two aren't. Anyway, sorry about the length but it kind of bothered me so I wanted to vent and see what other people think.
Half the pages say 'reserve your puppy now' includign the faq and the about us sections.. that's sketchy.
Says goldens at the top, and then on the bottom of the pup page 'Our goal is to produce German Shepherd that are healthy both physically and mentally, with sound temperament, working ability and correct conformation'
I would personally want a ton of answers if I was ever looking at a pup from there. There is way too little info about them ,why they breed, the breed(s) they are breeding.... They guarantee against hip dysplasia for 2 years, and nothign else.
Seems like a scam to me. They don't have any pictures of the sires & dams, charge crazy prices..(sorry I'd never pay 900+ dollars for a golden retriever), They have NO info about them. AND they definatly stole pictures of Tropico's dogs.
I agree that you should let Topico Kennels know if their pictures have been stolen & used on the other persons site. As far as Topico however being such a wonderful kennel you must be joking. They sell Lab/poodle crosses......!
Also, I don't want to sound rude and I'm certainly not trying to be, I appriciate your comments and agree with you with the fact of breeding mixed breeds on purpose is not good (trust me...my family and friends are tired of hearing me complain about "designer" dogs). I just want to be clear so you know. First, it is Golden Retriever/Poodle crosses that they breed not Labs but it doesn't make a difference, they are both mixed breeds.
They ARE a good kennel for GOLDEN RETRIEVERS but I do NOT agree with their breeding MIXED BREEDS on purpose. I know A LOT about Golden Retrievers and what makes a good one, they have very good Golden Retrievers with great bloodlines and all health clearences, that is the ONLY reason I said they were a well respected kennel. They show their goldens, make sure they have all their health clearences before breeding, don't over breed their dogs (they only have a couple litters a year), and put all of their pet puppies on limited registration with a spay/neuter agreement.
I know the breeder of Tropico kennel personally. I have dealt with her in the past. As a fellow breeder, for some reason she felt secure enough to confide in me and spilled her guts to me about her breeding and selling practices. She likes to talk a lot and do not have a good control of what comes out of her mouth. The things she voluntarily shared with me during the first 30 min that we met really surprised me. I am talking about things that a normal person would take with them to the grave. All Iíll say is she is no angel.
But I guess this if way off topic, so Iíll shut up now.
Thanks lovekelsey! :) I do agree with you about the Goldens however any good breeder that starts dabbling in mixing in my book is a bad breeder. No I don't want this to go into anther Designer breed squabble either. That is just my opinion. Any breeder that mixes when there are too many in the shelters dying, is just a very irresponsible breeder in my eyes. That's all.
I know what you mean exactly Rhondakbt, I'm not angry, thanks for everything.
LUCINA, I guess maybe she isn't a respected breeder, if you say she isn't. I have never talked to her on the phone but a couple times through e-mail. She seemed helpful and sincere. I don't know what breeding practices you're talking about but I'm sure they are not good and you would know since you have delt with her.
The reason I thought she was...she was very nice and helpful with e-mail....she has very good Golden Retrievers(that I could see)...I've heard only good things about her until now. I'm sorry I assumed. Thanks for the info.
Hi, I found this page after someone told me about it. I'm Lisa from Tropico. That guy did steal those pictures from me, and some from other breeders too I'm sure! I even called him on the phone and he just hung up on me. Other people have emailed him and called him too, he refuses to take down the pictures he stole, for a while he changed his web site address, but I see he's back on line now, people should call him and email him!
Thanks to those people who said nice things about me. As for Lucina, I do NOT know you, nor have we ever emailed or talked, so why are you lying? I think an answer from you is in order. What is the name of your kennel? What is your full name? Where are you located? I can't believe the things you said on here, why would you make up lies like that? I don't have any secrets about my breeding practices that I confided in you, I don't even know you, or anyone named Lucina for that matter! I am a very open person, I don't have a problem telling people things about me or my dogs, and I don't do anything dishonest, so I have nothing to hide! You said I told you things other people would take to the grave.. LIKE WHAT? Slander, defamation of character, and libel, are all crimes punisible by law and I think you have committed all three on this web site!
I do breed two breeds: Goldens and Goldendoodles. If there are some people that do not like the Goldendoodles that's your right not to, however what about all the people that LOVE them, do they not have rights too?
Anyone who wants to is welcome to come to my home, to see our facility and to meet our dogs and to look at any of my health certificates for my dogs, I welcome all "sincere" inquires. I have found that in the dog breeding world, that breeders can be very competitive and critical of other breeders, without even having any first hand knowledge on what they are talking about. There is a ton of gossip, back stabbing and bad mouthing, that goes on among breeders. I would think that people who all have the best interest of their pets in mind would concentrate more on positive things rather than negative.
I do feel it is good to warn people of puppy mills and breeders like this guy who stole my pictures, all I'm saying is to make sure what your saying is fact and not gossip. There are a lot of Golden Retriever breeders that do not like me, because I breed Goldendoodles. So they choose to slander me with lies to fulfill their own agenda. I have yet to hear any complaints from anyone who has actually bought a Goldendoodle from me. Because I breed Goldendoodles does not make me any less of a good breeder. If you do not like or agree with the breeds that I like, then that's your opinion. However your "opinion" about a breed is not fact, because you don't like Goldendoodles doesn't make them bad dogs, or the breeders that breed them bad breeders! There are many many people who love them for their own personal reasons.
If your going to say you think Goldendoodle breeders are bad, because of all the dogs in the pound, then you should say that about ALL breeders, not just breeders that mix breeds! If we have so many dogs in the pound that need homes, then why should anyone breed dogs, don't just single out the select few because you don't like what they breed, that's just hypercritical! And someone like you should only adopt dogs from the pound, for you to buy even a pure breed dog would be hypercritical!
It took 5 years of people asking me to breed Goldendoodles before I did and I do not regret my decision, even though I have to listen to people call me a "bad breeder", just because I breed a dog that I like and they don't! And I am not just breeding them for money, because if that were the case, then I would breed only European Golden Retrievers, because those sell for the most money. As you can see by looking on line, all the breeders that have started importing and breeding European Golden Retriever's, and I'm sure a big part of that is because of how much they sell for. They start at $2000 and $3000 for pets and go up from there. One kennel gets $5000 to $8000 for some of their puppies. I own imports and I am mating them with my Poodles, when I have males and females I could be breeding together for European white Goldens, but I'm not, I very seldom have white Goldens. So why would I choose to breed a breed that I make less money from and that I am harassed for breeding, the only conclusion would be that I really like them, and I'm not the only one. And the breeders that breed Goldendoodles are so much nicer than the breeders that breed Goldens, they are more of a community working together, instead of against each other.
To me the people who talk bad about the different mixed breeds are racist, those are the same type of people who bad mouth people for their race. I love all races of people and all breeds of dogs. I do think there are good and bad breeders in every breed, whether pure breed or mixed breed. Just like how Pit Bulls have a bad name, because of bad breeders, but they are not a bad breed. There is NO bad breed, every breed can have a purpose, with the right breeder breeding them, and the right trainer training them, and the right owner owning them, and not every breed is right for everyone.
There would not be dogs in pounds if people were responsible for the puppies they produce for the lifetime of that puppy. If for any reason someone buys a dog from me and it does not work out, they know they can bring that dog back to me and it will not be put to sleep! That I will take responsibility for that dog for it's lifetime, re-homing it or keeping it. Anyone who wants to verify this can call Gold Haven Golden Retriever Rescue in Little Rock California. I found out there was a Golden I bred there and I went that day and got him and donated $300 cash to the rescue. In fact I emailed every rescue in CA looking for that dog, after I found out from a lady that her husband had taken their dog to a rescue, but she didn't know which one, because they were divorcing and so he did it to hurt her, so I went on line to find that dog and I did. I then re-homed him, because the wife was still in the same home with the husband, so I couldn't allow the dog to go back there.
Anyway if your one of those people who hate Goldendoodles, maybe you should talk to all the families out there that LOVE their Doods and wouldn't trade them for any other breed in the world! Don't those people matter!
I respect what you say Lisa about what the other poster said was untrue about you. A rule on this forum is no breeder bashing and this thread should not have turned into that.
However, there is no reason to breed goldendoodles other than money. If people were asking you to breed them for five years than you had a demand. To meet that demand you gave them the supply. Not just for the goodsake of making others happy. If so, you would give the pups away for free. You did it for money. Plan and simple. You probably don't breed the more expensive european lines because most people are just looking for a good family dog. They're not concerned about the lines.
Most people, at least on this site don't think goldendoodles and other "designer breeds" are bad dogs. We just don't see the point of breeding them other than money. Most breeders of designer dogs are not trying to "better the breed" because these are mutts. Most aren't trying to create a new breed because they only breed purebred to purebred to create their designer dogs. It's just for money. If that's your motive, fine just admit it. But don't be shocked if someone calls you a bad breeder because of it. Its not an attack directly on you but on your business practices.
lisa do not expect a reply from lucina ...... she was banned from this forum quite a long time ago.
breeder's who breed designer breeds, which include the doodles, are nothing more then backyard breeders hoping to cash in on the latest fad. you yourself gave as the only reason for doing so was because people talked you into it. not because there was any real good reason that those two particular breeds should be mixed. i am not a racist for believing that. i love all dogs, no matter the breed or mix. after all they had no say in the decision to be born so that money could be made by unethical and immoral breeders.
I know a lot of people have issues with the Canadian Kennel Club, but I want to say that one thing they do way above the AKC is this, if a person that registers with the CanKc is found to be breed cross breeds they will lose their membership and could face disciplinary action.
A suspension or expulsion as provided in Section 15 of these By-laws; (e) Engaging in the breeding, buying or selling of dogs which are not purebred, unless such activity is consistent with the Objects of the Club and has received the prior approval of the Board.
***Edited By: ruffian on 6/5/2006 2:57:19 AM*** Reason: sp
Wow... People really pay $750 for a dog in America?! My 2 Border Collie were $50 each from down the road on a friends farm. They may not have "champion bloodlines" but they get the job done at the end of the day.