Well today we noticed the puppies were crying a lot(they are 5 days old today) when they were trying to nurse so we checked out Lily's nipples and it seems like there isn't a lot of milk in there. 6 of the 10 nipples when we sqeezed them a little drop came out but that was it. Is it possible that the puppies are nursing to much and drying her out ? Should we keep Lily out of the box longer to give the milk time to come in?or is it like humans it takes a few days for the milk to come in? Should I supplement some milk if so what do I use? Please any suggestions would be great!!
hi lisa, first i would call your vet, then he will probably suggest a milk supplement for the puppies if they are not getting enough. you will just have to hand feed them yourself if this is his suggestion. let me know what he says. which you could post a pic of the puppies!!!
lisa lily's milk would definitely have come in by 5 days so i don't think that is the problem. sometimes when moms are nursing they get a problem called mastitis. that can make the nipple area very hard and not alot of milk will come out. i would get her to the vet on monday to have her checked even though she was just there on friday. in the meantime go and buy a product called esbilac. it is puppy milk replacer. it comes in dry powder that you have to mix with water or it comes in a liquid prepared already. check their weights every day to make sure they are gaining weight so you know if you have to bottle feed them they are getting enough to eat.
I would agree that you need to talk to your vet about this. Where do you have the puppies... in a whelping box, in a crate? Do they have a source of warmth? I use a heating pad on low slid in between 2 or three sections of a newspaper under one end/corner of a crate bottom, under the bedding, so that the puppies can lay on it if they choose to, but mom can get away if she has to. You have to be careful, if it is too warm they will be too lazy to eat. Scout is absolutely right you do need to monitor the puppies' weights at least once a day, I like to do them in the morning and at night. My friend, a Cocker breeder, operator of a boarding kennel and retired vet tech, obtained the following recipe from the Cocker Club newsletter about 10 years ago. She has used it to supplement 4 litters of Cocker puppies, I have used it on several litters of pom puppies, it has not resulted in scours in any of the puppies we have used it on. 2 cups of goats milk, 2 egg yolks separated and beaten well, 2 TBSP corn syrup, and 1 tsp vegetable oil. Mix all ingredients and strain through a coffee filter (it takes forever). I use a standard baby bottle with a newborn nipple on it, my little itty bitty 2-4 oz pom puppies can nurse from them with no difficulty. I wish you all the best with your venture into grandparenthood.
Ok thanks , I will definatly be calling the vet first thing in the morning. She doesn't have Mastitis as the nipple and surrounding area is very soft. I just think they are one her to much or at least it seems that way. We checked their weights and 5 of them have gained between 3 and 4 oz but the little guy has only gained 1oz . We are trying to get him on first and on a nipple that we think might have some milk. The puppies are in a whelping box with a heating pad. we decided that we would take Lily out whenever the pups fall asleep that way she could get torest and she didn't seem to mind.She lays up on the couch and watches them and once they start squaking we put her in. She is on that antibiotic ( a small dose of amoxil) would this effect anything in the production of milk? How easy should the milk come out with us doing it? should we have to squeeze very hard or much to see any?
Lisa -- still good idea to check with your vet, but as long as their gaining weight, I would not worry too much. The "runt" of my litter was born at 6 oz -- lost down to 5 1/4 oz --I made sure she was getting the fullest teat for a few days, supplemented her with "NEW BORN - With COLOSTRUM" and she started gaining again...still though, she is HALF the weight of the other 4 -- but healthy, she is just going to be a much smaller dog. Sounds like yours are gaining fine though. You typically do not get much milk out when you squeeze nipple...very soon, Lily will want to be away from them more and more. Daisy sleeps at night with the pups, but during most of the day she only goes in a few times to feed them, then back out to play.
I would check with the vet to be on the safe side, but I doubt you have anything to worry about. Squeezing milk out of a dog's nipples isn't like milking a cow, after all. Not only that, when dogs have puppies, the puppies typically return to nurse at the same nipple every time they nurse. If you squeezed 6 and got a result when there are 6 puppies, that is probably normal. Remember, when a puppy is that young, it has no other way of communicating than making noise. Like a baby, just because they are being vocal doesn't mean that there's anything wrong. oh yes, one more thing. I personally would only supplement if the vet recommends you do so. If dogs are anything like humans, well I remember when I was breastfeeding, and as soon as I started offering my daughter formula when I was going out and leaving her with my inlaws, my own supply started drying up almost immediately. Dogs work on the same supply/demand basis that humans do. If the puppies need more, her body will supply it. If they seem to be needing less though, because of supplemental feeding, Lilly may produce less milk as a result, which won't really help anything out.
Oh I would never supplement unless I had the vet's ok with it. I just got a little concerned where it didn't seem she had enough milk or any as far as that goes.It is so had to tell especially for a newbie like me hahaha. I read and read and try and ecucate but in the end most books say it is best to ask people who have been though this so that is what i find is so great about having this site. It is good to know that they do work like humans though which is what I was also wondering. Like the supply and demand thing so that is good to know I thought it was but I just wanted to be sure. I will be calling the vet in about hour so I will see what they say. I'll keep you all posted. thanks
It's so easy to worry about them. Especially when you have not been through it before. But nature is miraculous. It's amazing how instincts take over, and not only do the mommies know just what to do, so do their bodies. I have seen whelping videos that HORRIFY me. Some people insist on taking over the entire whelping process as if they know how to do it better than mother nature. In most cases, the process will happen quite naturally. For sure you need to be there because there is always a chance the mom may NEED help. I jsut think it's a poor practice to assist when not needed. Yes...I know this is breed specific.
Well I talked to the vet this morning and he recomended that I supplement every 2nd feeding for a few days to see if it would help Lily's milk come in a bit better. He thinks she isn't producing enough for them to be completly satisfied when they do nurse because they are at her all the time and that is why they are at her all the time because they aren't getting filled up.So I went to town got the formula and now I am waiting to feed Oh boy this should be fun (not hahaha).
Ok here is what happened Nothing!! Man trying to bottle feed puppies is not a easy thing to do. I tried about 3 times today before I made another trip to town to by different bottles and nipples with no success with these either. So my husband and I let Lily nurse took her out after they were done and wouldn't let her back in until they all and I mean all woke up. Before this we took out the little guy and let him have a head start and man he went right to town .Lily's boobs where nice and full!! I was so happy! They hadn't nursed for about 2 1/2 hours and slept the whole time . She was wanting in with them but I kept her occupied outside for awhile. But I think the trick is not let her in with them until they wake up that way the milk will be plentyful. So the puppy formula I am giving her. It says on the label she can have 2 tsp for every 5lbs/day so I figure why not if it will help her the more the merrier!! I will weigh them tomorrow night and see how things look I am expecting it to be good. Keep your fingers crossed!!
IF the puppies are crying alot try nursing them I use vet probiolac formula,it has the right vitamins for puppies.and try also nutrical,& pedialite.this is what i have had to do in the past or they could be cold even with the mother in there you could use a hot water bottle, or maybe a heat lamp when using heat lamp temp. in the bottom where the puppies lie should not be over80degrees hope this will help.