Thanks Rescue, going to Pet smart this weekend I will see what they recommend. I would like to try holistic or natural. I now know enough not to get food with corn in it. Liked the Paul Newman treats he was given. Chicken, barley etc. all natural all grown on Newmans farm and every bit of profit goes to animals.
Is anyone concerned that these companies are getting you to dose a dog with antibiotics (Tylosin is an antibiotic in the Erythromyacin family) to treat a cosmetic problem?
There have been huge outcries lately about the overuse and inappropriate use of antibiotics, and the resulting drug resistant diseases that have developed because of the overuse of antibiotics. Isn't this one of the worst excuses to use an antibiotic?
Sure, it is safe, but how long a study did they run? What are the long term effects? How does the immune system react to long term antibiotic use? What happens when it can't properly handle an infection, and the desease is resistant to the drugs you've been low dosing for the last 5 years...
In my years in the industry, I've found that most "tear stain" problems are allergy related. And most people don't realize that an allergy free food is just the start.
If your child had a peanut allergy, you wouldn't assume that keeping a peanut free dinner would make everything better. You'd make sure that no peanut was available in any of the childs intake.
Likewise with dogs. Wheat and Soy are the biggest allergens, yet most treats are made with these. Some people start a wheat free diet, and think nothing of tossing a pizza crust to the dog. Or putting some leftover gravy on thier food.
Wheat free means wheat free... totally wheat free. One macaroni noodle can cause a dog with wheat allergies to react. Never mind what a milkbone or beggin strip can do...
There are a huge number of wheat free treats out there, and now a lot of grain free ones as well. They cost a little more, but would be wayyyy cheaper than using drugs to cure eyestains. ANd healthier and safer...
Tear stains can also indicate a food allergy. I too have tried everything, even Angel's Eyes, which lessened them a bit but then I realized it was an antibiotic so I stopped giving it to my dog. I have since made her homecooked food and her tear stains have disappeared. All she gets is the normal goop that everyone gets in their eyes. When I fed her kibble, they were bad although they weren't as bad when she was on Innova. But I'm feeding her Canine Life and its been wonderful so far.
Make sure you clean around the eyes with warm water and a cloth to avoid infecting your dog's eyes. The products which you apply directly to the stains only make them worse, in my opinion.
I also notice that her tear stains were worse when I gave her regular tap water as opposed to filtered water. Try giving your dog distilled water.
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Theaardvark, it isn't just a cosmetic problem. It is often a tear duct issue (clogged) and they need to be unclogged..it can also be a yeast problem...
Personally I think probotics would work better but i am not sure.
I have a 5 month old poodle I got almost 2 weeks ago and he had no stains at all! Now he has them and it is just terrible, all down his face. I do not understand why he is now getting it. I am confused!
It is really bad and I have no idea why or what to do about it..Of course I will have my vet look, but I bet he has no idea what to do either... Karla in WA
Thanks aardvark, I also am familiar with tylan, and had NO IDEA they were using it in the tear stain products. I think my eyes bugged out my head when I saw that, I think tylan is great, have used it alot in the past, but to treat illnesses. Not tear stains. I guess aside from dosing you dog with an anti-biotic that may not be neccesary, my concern would be interactions with medications your pet may be on. Do these products warn of this? If your vet has already checked out you dog, and it isn't an issue with the eye itself that is causing excessive tear staining, you can try a good food (discussed here there and everywhere in here, I feed Innova), and some peroxide on a cotton ball helps reduce the tearstains (and the smell). Do not get IN the eye. The peroxide helps break up the enzymes a bit, like it does with blood. You can also ask your groomer to do a 'cleaner scoop' when possible.
I agree that diet is extremely important- it can take some time though to work out which the problem food stuffs are.
I too worry about the over use of antibiotics. Given the number of natural food supplement tear stain removers there seems to be little justification for using the tylosin based products any more.
All you need to do is google "natural tear stain remover" to find a list of them.
The two that I have had experience of both worked well- Naturvet and Angels Delight by Bichon Hotel.
Anyone using the tylosin based tear stain removers is unwittingly breaking the law. Tylosin is a prescription only medication. the fact that the OTC products exist does not make them legal- it just shows how over-whelmed the authorities are.
Material Safety Data Sheet Tylosin Tartrate MSDS Section 1: Chemical Product and Company Identification Product Name: Tylosin Tartrate Catalog Codes: SLT4231, SLT2218 CAS#: 1405-54-5 RTECS: YP087500 TSCA: TSCA 8(b) inventory: No products were found. CI#: Not available. Synonym: Pharmasin Chemical Name: Tylosin Tartrate Chemical Formula: (C46-H77-N-O17), C4-H6-O6 Contact Information: Sciencelab.com, Inc. 14025 Smith Rd. Houston, Texas 77396 US Sales: 1-800-901-7247 International Sales: 1-281-441-4400 Order Online: ScienceLab.com CHEMTREC (24HR Emergency Telephone), call: 1-800-424-9300 International CHEMTREC, call: 1-703-527-3887 For non-emergency assistance, call: 1-281-441-4400 Section 2: Composition and Information on Ingredients Composition: Name CAS # % by Weight Tylosin Tartrate 1405-54-5 100 Toxicological Data on Ingredients: Not applicable. Section 3: Hazards Identification Potential Acute Health Effects: Hazardous in case of ingestion. Slightly hazardous in case of inhalation. Potential Chronic Health Effects: CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified None. by OSHA, None. by NIOSH. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance is toxic to gastrointestinal tract, upper respiratory tract, skin, central nervous system (CNS). Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Section 4: First Aid Measures Eye Contact: Immediately flush eyes with running water for at least 15 minutes, keeping eyelids open. Cold water may be used.
I read an article on IVIS some time ago about a link between tear stains and Folic Acid deficiency. In my kennel, I had noticed that primarily bitches that are carrying are susceptible to tear stains early in their pregnancy. However, after including Folic Acid supplements every other day during pregnancy, I have not had a recurrence of tear stains in any of my bitches.
I don't usually see it any other time with my dogs.
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Just a head's up... I was researching Tylosin as Tartrate and discovered this side effects advisory:
"...dogs prove to generally be very resistant to any adverse effects when taking this drug. Generally, mild side effects may include vomiting or diarrhea, lethargy, reaction to the foul taste of the medicine and similar effects.
"...may affect the levels of certain important liver hormones and enzymes, so it's vital that you and your vet monitor your pet for any signs..." (such as) "blood tests done periodically is wise for any animal that takes tylosin tartrate, particularly for longer than a short period of time.
"...potential that your pet will suffer from an allergic reaction to tylosin tartrate..." (such as) "difficulty breathing, chewing, swallowing, that he has seizures or loses consciousness. In these cases, visit a vet immediately."
I know this is a hella old thread, but it is a constant topic of conversation, I use Angel Eyes, and no I am not worried about the dose of the antibiotic is very very low. But Angel Eyes has a new product out that is 100% natural:
"A proprietary blend of Cranberry Powder, Oregon Grape Root, and Marshmallow Root Inactive Ingredients: 100% Freeze Dried Chicken Liver"
So there is a natural option as well, I am going to get it next time for my little Shih Tzu!