I bet way back in time when people were trying to make a new breed there were byb then too, people just didn't know that term then, just like they didn't know/use the term Designer. So while the good breeders kept trying and finally got a great breed I bet there were alot of byb selling their mixes and saying they were a "whatever the new breed was" just to make their money, so you had your "good" breeder and your "byb" back then just on a smaller scale. isn't it possible that today we have maybe a few "Good" breeders for what some have termed the "Designer" dog? I know we have alot of byb and people are more aware of this but isn't it possible that there truely are a few "Good" breeders out there and it will take years before we know this. I feel this situation isn't new and probably has been going on for years, we just didn't use the same terms and all. I love both pure and mixes and am truly not trying to start any arguments, just something on my mind and wondering about it.
I doubt it. Way back when people didn't consider dogs part of the family, they were just there to work.
If someone tried to sell a litter of mutts back when most people were very poor, they would get laughed at. Dogs were probably always free, even if they were pure.
I remember my grandma telling me that they got a purebred Irish Setter for free, a purebred German Shepherd for free, and some other purebreds, all free.
Meant to add.. When people were trying make a new breed, it was probably just that one person working on it. Other people would just breed 2 good working dogs, pure or not, and get a pup out of the litter so it would work for them.
They were bred for reasons.. Designer mutts are being bred for money plain and simple. No one is trying to make a new breed, and if they are, I doubt any of us know about it.. They wouldn't want people wanting their dogs, at least not until they are breeding true.
***Edited By: laredos_mom on 11/15/2006 11:44:27 AM*** Reason: x
Thanks for the replies, guess I wasn't going back as far as little house on the praire, perhaps more like the Lassie age! lol in my head I was going back to when people wanted a dog, to be more of a member of the family, not just for work. But thanks again and I understand what you both are saying.
Designer breeds are bred for money. Of course the breeders can argue that they are breeding for strictly companion animals no culling is needed to better the breed. There are still breeders that breed mix breeds for working purposes and not for profit. My husband bought 2 coonhound pups a few years ago that were purposely cross bred. They were 1/2 English and 1/2 Walker. The parents were proven grade dogs with no papers but the pups all went to hunting homes where they could be appreciated for the reason they were created, Hunting.
I'm sure some Huskies used in racing are some times cross bred for function still to. Poorer countries that cant afford the luxury of purchasing registered dogs I assume get thier pets from cross breeding (as the Carolina dogs of SC came about) But lets not play God lightly. Their is no real reason for designer breeds except money. My pure bred poodle is just as compainionable as any poo mix out there.
You will very rarely see an all purebred team being used in racing. I breed Alaskan Huskies/Hounds, they can be a mix of just about anything. But anyone selling them as pets is just out of their mind completely.
I don't know what the percentage is but I'd say most of the established breeds came about by regional, environmental, and working necessity factors. People didn't live so closely like they do now. Some towns were miles and miles away from the nearest other town. The dogs became similar through being bred back into the local gene pool and rarely would a new dog be introduced. They were just too far away. As the dogs in an area were used for various jobs like herding and guarding the ones that weren't good at it would be culled or just not bred to as much as the good ones. Over time the dogs in a particular area resembled each other enough and bred true to type enough to be known as a breed apart from other dogs. If someone took 20 of those dogs and bred them to each other there would be an excellent chance of every one of the pups looking like the parents and each other and exhibiting the same general character traits.
Some pure breeds were developed intentionally through dedicated people and/or governments devoting years of their lives and many generations of dogs to perfect a specific kind of dog. They began with dogs demonstrating the characteristics they were looking for, crossed and recrossed and inbred and linebred until the dogs were reproducing true to the type that was the original goal.
Crossing a couple of breeds or even a couple of generations does not give any certainty of how the pups will turn out or which breed they will resemble so they cannot reasonably be called a new breed. There will probably be nothing wrong with those dogs and they can be just as lovable as any blue-blooded dog with a 70 generation pedigree but they aren't a purebred dog.