here we go again- i just took daisy to the vet on thursday to get her boosters and also bring in a stool sample could of swore she still has coccida. nothing has changed still diarhea. took in a stool sample to recheck and neg for coccida- ughrr!!! i ask the vet if this is normal that she has had runny loose stools from day one that ive had her? he said no it is not normal. he is now treating her for worms- thinking maybe its worms? wouldnt there be a sign of worms in her stool? today she took her last 3 days med supply of pancur and he said that hopefully will help- and also put her on a antibotic for 5 days. he wants to recheck her in 10 days and see if this clears the diarhea if not then hes going to do blood work and find out what is going on- since none of this is normal. as we were waiting in the exam room daisy started throwing up for a good 5 minutes . she hadnt done that in awhile- but she had no fever so he went ahead with the vaccines,
dont know why she started throwing up- it was alot-
could all this time tho that daisy has had worms? i dont know if she was dewormed when i got her i think maybe 1 time from what i remember the card i was giving with what shots and her birth date ect . the vet didnt at all say she should be dewormed when i first brought her in for her first check up. i since then have switched vets- back at banfeild which i like alot better. but now the vet is wanting to get to the bottom of what is wrong with daisy. not just saying coccida maybe it has been some sort of worms this hole time? she eats fine acts fine- its just the watery stools . i give her kaopekate (sp) to harden her stools up which does work. (vet told me to give her this)
my daughter did get ring worm from some where abuot a month ago- maybe this came from daisy? or maybe my daughter gave it to daisy? when the vet mentioned deworming her i didnt even remember about my daughter having ring worm and didnt mention it- i will at daisys 10 day check up wihich is now like 7 days.
could it be worms? hook, whip, ring? would i see it in her poop? would there be other signs of her having worms? or is the vet just treating her just in case and then go from there? shes gaining weight- last vet visit a month ago she weighed 5.6 pounds and now shes just over 7- and shes 20 weeks old.
any one ever delt with worms? deworming ? i read that all pups should be dewormed 3 times after born i know there is a age but dont remember- but after that worming will you ever have to deworm again? any info would help-
Hello my name is Mike and I am new to this forum.My wife and I have two great danes.One of them Sky,did the exact same thing as your describing.She lost all kinds of weight we brought her back and fourth to the vet.Stool sample the "vet said"tested positive for hook worms which are NOT visible to the human eye through a microscope.Your dog sounds exactly like what we went t hrough.We brought sky in one night they gave her fluids,antibiotics and wormer.She still had symptoms diarreah,and vomiting.He gave her injection i dont remember what it was but with in a few days she was much better.She was a little behind for a little while but did pick up and now at 4 months old is 62 lbs.We have you and your dog in our thoughts best of luck but y es it could be worms.I am not an expert just someone who went through a similar situation.Please keep me posted on how it all works out best of luck.
hello mike and thanks for your help- when stool was tested it did show worms? daisys doesnt but the vet exsplained that not every time in a stool sample you will find any trace of worms/eggs even if she did have it. so hes assuming its worms- i could of swore it was coccida which she did have for a over a month when i first got her but she never got any better- and now tested neg for coccida and he thinks it could be worms- well see- she just finished her pancur today so well see if it works - if not blood work to find out what is going on- poor thing. shes a mix (maltese and bichon frise) she eats fine and plays fine its just the diarhea and the once in awhile she throws up for like 5-10 min non stop and then looks sluggish for a hour and then back to her self again she goes back to the vet in a week i will of coarse post when i find out what is the cause-.... theresa
sometimes worms don't come up in one testing. when my dog had round worms it took 3 testings to show in his stool samples. We had to keep going back even though the tests showed negative results but my dog showed all the round worms symptoms.
Its possible your dog had both worms and coccidia. The coccidia showed up in fecal, worms didn't.
Also, what food are you feeding? Do you give treats, and how many per day. Some dogs just never adjust to particular foods. I know that our Akita, Ramoth, had near diarrhea for almost 6 weeks following us starting her on the Canidae food. We *knew* she didn't have worms or coccidia.... we swapped food and her stool firmed up in like 36 hours.
hello again- i guess the vet checked for coccida and worms ect in daisys stool sample but seen nothing- but did tell me that most times you dont see any signs of worms even if they have it- something about shedding eggs or something. didnt really understand but she finished her panacur so well see what happens now- yes maybe daisy did have coccida and worms- and the worms never were found and the coccida was- maybe this is why it took soooo long to get rid of the coccida but the diarhea never went away. as i mentioned i do give her kaopektate (sp) for diarhea which does harden the stool- at least for alittle while-
i am wondering if she was really dewormed when i got her? im sure not- and the deworming maybe has been over looked by the vet- this is why i have changed vets since - and this vet is trying to get to the bottom of what is going on with daisy.
daisy is on wellness dog food now- she doesnt really care for it . she was on some pretty crappy puppy food before but reading alot on the benifits of a good dog food, for health reasons and also pooping less, her coat will be soft and healthy. so were back on wellness hard and canned- shes still getting use to it and yes im mixing the old stuff still with the wellness to wean her off the ceaser- i know thats crappy food but when bentley was a pup i tried so many differnt foods and he wouodnt eat any of them including wellness. chicken soup for thre puppy soul, iams and a few others and on vacation didnt have can opener so went and got this ceaser crap food and he loved it and ate it all he never had eaten all his food for months so i just stuck with it- he is healthy and never had any health problems with bentley- so i started daisy out on wellness and soft iams ( have alot of bags and cans of food from bentley when he was a pup) but she would always go eat bentleys food so i just started getting the puppy ceaser which is all bi product crap- uggghh so im weaning them both to wellness- they eat the hard wellness which there is always a bowl of hard food for them to eat. they eat a few peices here and there . but a bowl will last them a few days. so im working on the switch and i am sticking with it- i kinda wanted to go look for maybe a differnt dog food like merriks ive heard good things about. and what about this candie or what ever it is? better then wellness?
also yes they do get potty treats. every time they go potty they get a treat. they are i think authority brand liver treats. so every time they go potty outside they each get a treat which is about 10 treats a day or more. they seem to really like them and it works for teaching them to potty out side- as soon as they pee they come running over to me to get their treat- gosh bentley even pees and stops it and comes over for a treat and then goes pee again and stops it and runs ovre for a treat and he will do this like 4 times- pretty smart dog- lol but he knows what it takes to get a treat so i always give him one even tho i know hes cheating to get treats. ive even caught him pretending to pee- lol silly dog. hes half poodle hes very smart and is a fast learner ( everything but potty training) it took him awahile but hes good and maybe a accident 1 time a week when im not home to take him out. daisy is still learning but doing well.
should i keep with wellness or try something else? they both are small breed dogs- and right now the wellness i have is sweet potato and duck i tihnk or fish one of them- dont remember- i do have the puppy wellness but she likes tihs other better. they dont really care for the canned wellness- but they both eat soft food and i have always giving them soft food. so i need to find a good canned food for them. any sujestions? i was going to go to the feed store today to check out the good brands of food. this place carries all the solid gold, wellness, merricks, chicken soup for the puppy soul, and everty thing esle in between they are the only place in my city that sells these brands. so if anyone wants to give me a heads up on what brand i should get them on let me know- i heard wellness isnt that good, i was told on this forum that wellness was great food and no dog could resisit it..lol but bentley didnt like it at all. but now is coming around . thanks
ringworm is a fungus, not an actual parasite. the name is very misleading.
the only worms visible to the naked eye are roundworms, which can be vomited or passed in the stool and looks like spaghetti. and tapeworms which you see either on the hair around the rectum, or on the stoll itself. they look like little grains of rice. roundworms are the most common worms found in puppies and they are passed from the mother to the pups. tapeworms are only gotten through eating a flea or eating a rodent that has them.
the only stage of worm we can see under the mocroscope is the egg stage. if the worms are not in that stage we cannot see them under the microscope, which means they can still have them but we just cannot see them. that is why it is most often recommeneded that a puppy be tested several times.
what kind of liver treats are you giving ? if they are liver flavored treats then i doubt that would be the cause of her diarrhea. but if they are liver meat treats, like actual pieces of liver freeze dried or jerkied, then that may very well be what is causing her the diarrhea. too much pure liver can cause that in dogs. at ;east that was what i was warned about when i gave my dogs real liver.
i wouldnt go switching her food on her right now. wait to see if the meds do their job. if you switch food now you wont know whether it is the new food or not that is giving her the diarrhea, because changes in diet can also cause soft stools.
I was going to point out that ring worm is not an actual worm in the digestive tract, that it was more of a fungus with an off throwing name because the other posters seemed to have missed that... but I see that scout already covered it.
Good luck with Daisy, do you have any pictures or a dogster for her to post yet?
Also, do you have any neighbors or family that you trust in order to bring them out and practice your training for you while you are not home so they do not get confused?
I would keep them crated or gated anytime you can't be right there with them keeping an eye like a hawk on them if they have proven even once that they are not trusty worthy yet, bringing them out every couple of hours. That even goes for when you are home...
My own dogs are both trained, but I still like to run them out every 4 or 5 hours because I figure their bladders and bowels are a heck of a lot smaller then mine. They CAN hold it several hours if need be, but I would rather they not go through unneeded discomfort.
In the course of all of these problems has she been given antibiotics? If so antibiotics do not distinguish between harmful and benificial fauna in the digestive tract they just clean kill. To replenish the benificial organisms you need to feed yogurt made with live cultures. A tablespoon twice a day should help if that is the problem. Yogurt is semi digested and I have never had it cause problems on it's own.
Does she vomit shortly after feeding or more in between feedings?
no skye did not show worms at the first testing.They gave her fluids and gave her an antibiotic,said it could have been an "intestinal thing".We didnt really get answers until the third time we took her at which point the dog was getting weaker and weaker,We took her in at 6:30 pm one evening and they found the hookworms.They wormed her and put her on an injectable antibiotic for two more days.I dont remember the name of it either.But the breeder we got her from had given wormer to skye but she had been due for another round before we got the appointment,We also were in process of changing vets as you stated because our other vet with our male was very laid back and non agressive with things that to us seemed he needed to be.Skye now is 4 months old and two weeks ago weighed 52.5 lbs.I am un expierienced in the vet medicine field I just thought your situation sounded a lot like what we were going through with skye. Best of luck please keep us posted on daisey.